From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #588 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, January 1 2015 Volume 16 : Number 588 In this issue: Canada Safety Council: Remember to be safe with firearms Underground Nazi WMD factory found Re: 2015, 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta "Government defends refusal to sign Arms Trade Treaty" "The 1911: Why We Fit Barrels" Quote for the New Year Re "Maher- There is a lot we don't know.."#583 Re: sabre, pistol... Digest V16 #585 Re: Chicago Mayor is not opposed to firearms when used to ... Re: "The 1911: Why We Fit Barrels" re: Guns in Church ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, December 31, 2014 9:56 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Canada Safety Council: Remember to be safe with firearms Remember to be safe with firearms Yorkton This Week -December 30, 2014 12:27 PM http://www.yorktonthisweek.com/news/local-news/remember-to-be-safe-with-firearms-1.1699963 Firearms are present in an estimated 17 per cent of Canadian households. There are almost eight million firearms in Canada (or about two firearms for every 10 people). The majority of Canadian firearm owners have long guns, which they use for hunting, sport and wildlife control. "Firearms in the home must be stored safely," says Canada Safety Council president Jack Smith. The Canada Safety Council recommends locking the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into, and storing the ammunition separately." If you have firearms in your home, or if you're visiting someone who does, Smith advises you to make sure safe storage practices are in place. The Canadian Firearms Program has a toll-free number you can call to discuss any safety concern related to firearms. Dr. Alan Drummond, with the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians, says long guns are a major concern for doctors in rural areas, where firearm ownership is more common. "As a rural emergency physician and coroner, I have seen my share of accidental injuries and deaths inflicted by rifles and shotguns," he says. In his community of Perth, Ontario, he finds that incidents of firearm deaths and injuries increase in situations where an unsafely stored gun is readily available. The rate of firearms deaths in Canada has been falling year by year. In 2001, there were 837 firearms related deaths, or 2.70 per 100,000 Canadians. In 2011, the last year for which statistics are available, 679 Canadians died from shootings. Despite a growing population, that's 158 fewer deaths, and the rate was 2.03 per 100,000 - a 25 per cent drop compared to 2001. For safety reasons, Canadian firearms regulations require gun owners to be properly trained and licensed. The law also requires firearms to be safely stored when not in use. Safe storage includes keeping guns unloaded and locked, with ammunition stored separately or locked up. Firearms licences can be denied or revoked if there are public safety concerns and risks. In 2013, the Canadian Firearms Program refused 886 firearms licence applications and revoked 2,497 firearms licences. If you observe unsafe storage or use of firearms, or have a concern about firearms, call the Canadian Firearms Program's toll-free (non-emergency) number during regular business hours, from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. nationwide, Monday to Friday. Telephone: 1 800 731-4000 You can also email cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca . If you have an urgent or life-threatening concern related to a firearm, call 911 or your local emergency police number. CANADA SAFETY COUNCIL PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (PSA) The Canada Safety Council is re-releasing a PSA to let Canadians know who to call if they have a concern about firearms safety. The purpose of this PSA is to raise awareness of firearms regulations. To view the PSA, please click here. ABOUT THE CANADA SAFETY COUNCIL The Canada Safety Council is an independent, knowledge-based, charitable organization dedicated to the cause of safety. We provide national leadership in safety through information, education and collaboration. We are Canada's voice and resource for safety FIREARMS STORAGE SAFETY TIPS Ensure firearms are unloaded at all times when stored. Store ammunition separately or lock it up. Ammunition can be stored in the same locked container as the firearms. Non-restricted firearms: - Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or - Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into. Restricted and prohibited firearms: - Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or - Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely. For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into. - See more at: http://www.yorktonthisweek.com/news/local-news/remember-to-be-safe-with-firearms-1.1699963#sthash.mYh3lNtL.dpuf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:22:21 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Underground Nazi WMD factory found http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/12/31/excavation-uncovers-secret-underground-nazi-wmd-factory/?intcmp=trending Excavation uncovers secret underground Nazi WMD factory By Jenn Gidman Published December 31, 2014 Newser Suspiciously high radiation levels around the Austrian town of St. Georgen an der Gusen had long fueled theories that there was a buried bunker nearby where Nazis had tested nuclear weapons during WWII. Those suspicions came one step closer to being confirmed last week after the opening of a 75-acre underground complex was dug out from below the earth and granite used to seal off the entrance, the Times of Israel reports. The excavation team was led by Austrian filmmaker Andreas Sulzer, who says the site was "likely the biggest secret weapons production facility of the Third Reich"—a facility that probably relied on forced labor from the nearby Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and may have even been the testing location for a nuclear bomb, the Daily Mirror reports. The weapons facility was believed to have been manned by SS General Hans Kammler and situated near the B8 Bergkristall factory, where the first working jet-powered fighter was created, International Business Times reports; Sulzer first got wind of the site after seeing references to it in an Austrian physicist's diary. "Up to 320,000 inmates are said to have died because of the brutal conditions in the subterranean labyrinth," Sulzer tells the Sunday Times, per the Times of Israel. Those inmates were chosen for skills in physics, chemistry, or other sciences that would advance the Nazis' quest for WMD, Sulzer says. Digging at the site was halted by local officials who demanded a permit, but Sulzer says excavation will restart next month. "We owe it to the victims to finally open the site and reveal the truth," he says, per the Mirror. (The US is still keeping nuclear warheads around to fight … asteroids?) This article originally appeared on Newser: Secret Underground Nazi WMD Factory Found: Report ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:26:56 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: 2015, 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta It's an odd situation for a government to pass and support a law the government dare not enforce. Or so we thought. The High River Raids were clearly someone's idea of a test case, for those whose political beliefs our ancestors fought bled and died to save us from. C-68 has led some to believe that Charter and Common-Law Rights and traditions of Canada have been repealed. That the rule of law no longer applies, that all is subject to "The Prime Directive". We'll see if the elected representatives agree once their response to the RCMP Complaints Commissioner's Report comes out. They will take responsibility, if and only if, public outrage is loud and clear enough! That will require making the discussion widely publicized and countering the bureaucracies misinformation and lies that flooded the media from the start. The Magna Carta was first signed in 1215 forcing the government establishing the rule of law applied to the government as well as the citizenry. As governments sought to violate it, time and again, had to force them to sign and agree to it's provisions. Eight hundred years later, the battle to retain the rule of law looms before us, yet again. The story of British liberty is one of defending it from enemies both foreign and domestic. On 2014-12-27, at 8:28 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:08:08 -0500 > From: Kindanyume > Subject: Re: Gun owner's in Washington state- Digest V16 #565 > > Indeed.. I know how inaccurate the stats are.. and I've met many that > still have their firearms and never had a license or complied with > c-68.. not a one of them is a "real" criminal of course and some of the > nicest ppl I've met. The rate of non-compliance is staggering compared > to the BS lies from the rcmp putz's > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Kindanyume wrote: > >> >> Indeed Larry... but the fact is there are millions of us.. it's just a >> matter of getting them off their apathetic asses >> >> [Mod Note: RCMP files from 1975 estimated that there were around >> 12,000,000 guns with around 3,500,000 million owners. Just using import - >> export - manufacturing and destroyed guns from 1975 to 1995 the numbers >> went up to 19,000,000 to 21,000,000 guns and 5,500,000 to 7,000,000 >> owners before C-68 launched. But only 7,000,000 guns got registered and >> only 2,100,000 people became licensed. Where are these missing people >> and guns. BUZ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:00:37 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Government defends refusal to sign Arms Trade Treaty" Government defends refusal to sign Arms Trade Treaty By Lee Berthiame, Postmedia News December 27, 2014 Canada remained on the sidelines as an international treaty designed to regulate the global flow of weapons and ammunition and keep them away from dictators and criminals came into effect this week. The Arms Trade Treaty establishes strict criteria against which the export of any arm - whether a gun or a tank - is assessed to ensure it won't be used for a human rights violations or war crimes. Canada voted in favour of the agreement last year, but is among a handful of countries, including Russia, China, Syria and North Korea, that have since refused to sign. The United States has signed but not ratified the treaty, and other NATO members have all either signed or ratified it. Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird's spokesman, Adam Hodge, defended the government's refusal to sign the treaty Wednesday, saying the agreement "would not improve upon how we assess exports of military items (as) Canada already has some of the strongest export controls in the world. "There are some concerns that this treaty affects lawful and responsible firearms owners," Hodge added. "We remain committed to making a decision on whether to join the treaty if it is determined that doing so is good for Canada, and for Canadians." Arms-control groups took time out from celebrating the treaty Wednesday to lament Canada's absence from the long list of countries that have signed or ratified the agreement. They say rather than hurt legal gun owners, the treaty will help curb the flow of weapons and ammunition to the Middle East, Africa and other regions where conflict, human rights abuses and instability are rampant. "The ATT is the most important conventional weapons control treaty in a generation," John Siebert, executive director of Waterloo, Ont.-based Project Ploughshares, stated in a news release. "As more states join the treaty - Israel became a signatory just last week - Canada's absence becomes more stark. Why isn't Canada party to this international effort to end irresponsible weapons transfers across borders?" The Official Opposition NDP also urged the government to sign the agreement. "As the Arms Trade Treaty comes into force today, New Democrats urge Conservatives to stop undermining it," NDP assistant foreign affairs Helene Laverdiere said in a statement. "Despite the opposition from the powerful gun lobby, even the United States have signed the treaty, so there is no reason why Canada wouldn't do the same." The Conservative government has long displayed a lukewarm attitude toward the treaty, which included orders to Canadian diplomats to play a "low-key, minimal role" during negotiations and protect the rights of Canadian gun owners. ============================================================== The last sentence is one seldom seen in the MSM. This is a significant political decision by the Harper Conservative government. One that offends the totalitarian minded in the MSM and Opposition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:45:27 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "The 1911: Why We Fit Barrels" Interesting, old pistols, new accuracy. Now if only old shooters could so improved. http://www.shotgunnews.com/ask-the-gunsmith/1911-fit-barrels/?utm_source ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:11:48 +1300 From: David Mack Subject: Quote for the New Year "It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population. Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy. Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis--as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious bloodthirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed." Churchill. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:40:49 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re "Maher- There is a lot we don't know.."#583 On 2014-12-28, at 11:14 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > From: "Dennis Young" > Subject: Maher: There's a lot we don't know about the story of the year > > > Maher: There's a lot we don't know about the story of the year, and > reason to be suspicious of what we are told > There is a lot riding on whatever happened in that terrible hour on > the morning of Oct 22. > BY STEPHEN MAHER, POSTMEDIA NEWS DECEMBER 27, 2014 6:41 AM > http://www.theprovince.com/news/Maher+There+know+about+story+year+reason+suspicious+what/10681973/story.html > > EXCERPT #1: It says something bad about the state of our democracy that we > still know so little about what happened in its heart, that we can't be > certain how much we will ever know, and that we aren't more bothered by > that. There are two videos that would answer a lot of questions, but they > are secret. The first video - or collection of videos - shows the last > moments of Zehaf-Bibeau's life, as he entered Centreblock, shot guard > Samearn Son in the leg, and rushed down the Hall of Honour to fall in a hail > of bullets by the door of the library. We have been told that Kevin Vickers, > the sergeant-at-arms, finished Zehaf-Bibeau's rampage by heroically diving, > James-Bond-style, to shoot him dead. But we don't know where that story > comes from. On the day of the shooting - when the world desperately needed a > story - anonymous sources told TV journalists that that's what happened. We > later learned that the shooter had been shot several times by a number of > people. Meaning? Vest anyone? Writer less bright than Sgt. At Arms is confirmed. > EXCERPT #2: How is it that Zehaf-Bibeau, a mentally ill crack user, managed > to get so close to the prime minister that Harper had to be hidden in a > closet? Maher's articles are consistently "Liberal/NDP" in tone, exhibiting little thought, except MSM ideology and as poorly written as this one. The "mentally ill" label was the MSM/NDP/Lib. attempt to deny an Islamist presence in Canada capable of generating Islamist jihadis here. Now too stupid for Canadians to swallow, as the pattern both before 9/11 and post has emerged. Even w/o 9/11, the same pattern is evident worldwide. After articles outlined this guys background making $90,000/yr on pipeline work and producing jihadi videos, and having methodically planned and researched his targeted area, even going on a Parliamentary tour before hand, the "mentally ill, crack user label fell apart. Jihadis using drugs not uncommon, it's alcohol that is forbidden. Maher repeats it not as it accords with facts but for ideology reasons. Even Just in Trudeau had to drop that after the facts came to light. The NDP With an estimated 100 jihadis from Canada fighting in the Middle-East, no one is claiming it is due to them missing an appointment with their psychiatrist or being off their meds. Likewise with the two Canadian jihadis from Ontario, who blew themselves up during the Algerian gas plant hostage taking a couple of years ago. Nor is that the defence used by the Toronto 18 who were convicted, nor the two Phd level researchers who planned the bombing of a Via Rail train. Or the planned attacks stopped that we don't hear about. Only the NDP retains that policy. Is that "crazy" on their part or guided by a spin eerily similar to the M.B. in the West. Canada is a free and open liberal democracy by tradition, and until the two October attacks refused to admit war had been declared on us, as much as on our Western allies. "Hidden in a closet" a drive-by smear. First reports indicated Harper walking towards the doors to find out what all the disruptive noise was about, until those M.P.s familiar with the noise of gunfire stopped him and explained what the noise was. The police background M.P.s likely Rob Clarke and Fantino organized the chair stacking at the doors and the flag pole spearpoint defense, asking who was willing to rush attackers should they break in and "take one for the team". Harper going into concealment is standard VIP protection training, which he has, I'm sure, received, and the responsible thing under the circumstances for the Chief executive to do, unless of course you're Harrison Ford on Air Force One. If the attacker had been wielding a hockey stick, I'm sure Stephen Harper would have gladly met him for a face off. :) > Who put bullet holes in the door where the NDP caucus was meeting? Most likely the RCMP but if it was a rifle shot(30/30) from the jihadi, it wouldn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure it out, and so? > Is this a story of heroism or incompetence? Both, underestimating the Islamist jihadi presence and tactics and the profound implications of the Islamic State, Caliphate and Caliph, is something all Western governments were naive about. These attacks in October have seen major changes in British security even for their ceremonial guards who are now behind fencing or being guarded by submachine toting police. "We're all Israel now", is starting to sink in across the West. The unarmed security guard wrestling with a rifle toting attacker is going beyond his training and job description. The delay and shout of "gun" was important in alerting armed RCMP. Who would also have had to worry about the tour of school children in the area, simultaneous to their defensive mode. > The people who will decide > whether we see the videos might prefer to give us the answers to those > questions rather than letting us make up our own minds. The self-declared jihadi videos are suppressed to avoid them surfacing in the next I.S. publicity internet release. At this point, the security types see these as training video for the next jihadi attack and I expect a release date after we've won, say by 2114 at the latest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:49:43 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: sabre, pistol... Digest V16 #585 On 2014-12-31, at 7:27 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:47:33 -0800 > From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> > Subject: RE: "Retreating of the Queen's Guard: End of an era as ... > > ...palace ... > > >> These Guardsmen carry rifles equipped with bayonets but as a rule their >> rifles are not loaded with live ammunition. > > I'd rather have a decent sabre. Lighter, faster and more manoeuvrable than a > rifle with a bayonet. One of the benefits of a couple of years training > with an Olympic medal winning fencing coach. Out performs a machete or > knife in the hands of a nut case any day. Pistols are good. Who can forget > that memorable scene between Harrison Ford and the whacked out swordsman in > "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? > > 45clive Had the scimitar wielding swordsman chosen to work within his weapons distance, which any trained fighter knows, he would have had his own series of jihadi movies instead of Harrison Ford. Given that some jihadis have used knives or axes to attack, a well trained swordsman would handle that well enough. But can they draw and cut fast enough? The Samurai skill of quick draw and cut to kill is one smooth motion, sometimes called iai-jutsu or in it's sports version iai-do is designed to counter an ambush or unexpected attack. A counter to ninja assassins*. As for carrying pistols, I think under those Canadian Black Bear hats their would be enough room for a H&K MP5 :) *(Assassin, one of an order of Muslim fanatics, active in Persia and Syria from about 1090 to 1272, whose chief object was to assassinate Crusaders.) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assassin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:46:42 -0500 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: Chicago Mayor is not opposed to firearms when used to ... http://goo.gl/fBzWJL @GenActCda @CGCguncontrol #DemandControl #guncontrol #cdnpoli #hypocrite as usual, gun control advocates r pathetic On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Dennis Young wrote: > ...protect him and his family. > > > Chicago's Anti-Gun Mayor Called Out For The Sign Posted In Front Of His > Home > Mayors are not among the public figures typically afforded such protection. > > http://www.westernjournalism.com/chicagos-anti-gun-mayor-called-sign-posted-front-home/#my5l2KfAOLpQW3OA.97 > > Although he is affiliated with a nationwide network of mayors dedicated to > implementing strict gun control measures on law-abiding citizens, recent > reports indicate Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is not opposed to firearms when > used to protect him and his family. Earlier this month, Emanuel's son, > Zach, > was mugged just outside of the prominent Democrat's home. In response, > reports indicate Chicago police were on the scene in a fraction of the time > such calls generally take to complete. Even on a typical day, documents > show > multiple officers are assigned to guard Emanuel's home around the clock. A > local Fox affiliate noticed that even this level of armed protection is > apparently not sufficient for Barack Obama's former chief of staff. WFLD > captured a sign posted in front of the residence after the recent attack > warning that the premises are off-limits and being protected by the U.S. > Secret Service. > Read more at > > http://www.westernjournalism.com/chicagos-anti-gun-mayor-called-sign-posted-front-home/#tbUc3BhrcKqmlBhR.99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:58:18 -0500 From: Kindanyume Subject: Re: "The 1911: Why We Fit Barrels" Nicely done article On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Larry James Fillo wrote: > Interesting, old pistols, new accuracy. > > Now if only old shooters could so improved. > > http://www.shotgunnews.com/ask-the-gunsmith/1911-fit-barrels/?utm_source ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:52:41 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: re: Guns in Church I'm torn on this issue. A few years ago, a funeral for a long time rcmp auxiliary (and personal friend) was held at our church. Congregation members who were able to stand were asked to be at the back of the church to make sitting room for the attendees. I noticed that the watch members around me were armed, including some plain clothes officers. The Honour Guard were not even wearing holsters. I spoke to the watch commander after the service and he indignantly stated that they had to be armed since they could be called away at any moment. I called bull sh!t. I told him that he could have posted a member outside with all the guns in his vehicle, ready to call on the radio in the event of an incident. I wrote a letter of complaint to the NCO/IC, copied to the rcmp Complaints Commission. Response - zero. Imagine the brouhaha if arms were carried into a Synagogue, Mosque, Buddhist or Sikh temple! But having said that, a number of people in the congregation attend wearing folding knives (we're a red neck community) and Leatherman tools. I have to admit that after the first incident of a mass shooting in a church, I'd be all for CCW's in church. There have a couple of incidents already in the US where this threat has been met by an armed congregation member, thereby averting a slaughter. Difficult times call for appropriate action. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #588 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)