From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #552 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, December 8 2014 Volume 16 : Number 552 In this issue: Re: Manufacturing Conspiracies- Digest V16 #545 Re: High River update? Digest V16 #545 Re: Media war on Fantino- Digest V16 #545 Fw: Read in the news re: .38 Spl. revolvers of yesteryear More than 17,000 turned away from Alberta women's shelters ... How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue TORONTO SUN - Earth to climate alarmists! by Lorne Gunter Thinking is a controversial Activity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 00:01:37 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Manufacturing Conspiracies- Digest V16 #545 The Truman Show was Hollywood satire not a documentary :) On one post you claim the American Empire is defeated by sandal wearing peasants, next you claim they control the world like it was a video game. Your posts provide a little levity, a momentary distraction from grim reality. On 2014-12-04, at 7:43 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:01:44 -0800 > From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> > Subject: Manufacturing Terror > > The reason I keep harping on American involvement in the creation and > maintenance of a military opposition in the Middle East is because it > ties in with the events of 9/11 as a trigger for our loss of rights > domestically and murder by warfare overseas. The War on Terror is as > bogus as the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Guns and any > of the other social engineering inspired wars. It is about controlling > us, not protecting us. > > http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/01/neo-americas-real-ties-to-isis > > 45clive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 00:15:47 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: High River update? Digest V16 #545 Even though it was the Calgary Herald that broke the story, no mention is made of the timeline of the flood, it cessation and receding danger after which the majority of the raids took place. It's the facts of the case becoming known that triggered the outrage, and subsequent investigation. Leaving them out neglects to make the connection between the perps and that the crimes were committed after the flood danger had passed. I miss the days when editors made sure submitted story lines made sense. On 2014-12-04, at 7:43 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, December 2, 2014 11:22 pm > From: "Dennis Young" > Subject: Investigators head back to High River to 'tie up loose ends' ... > > ...on gun seizure probe > > > Investigators head back to High River to 'tie up loose ends' on gun > seizure probe. Premier Jim Prentice said the High River situation > "warrants explanation of what actually happened." > TREVOR HOWELL, CALGARY HERALD -Last Updated: December 2, 2014 6:50 AM MST > http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/investigators-head-back-to-high-river-to-tie-up-loose-ends-on-gun-seizure-probe > > The head of an independent watchdog agency probing Mounties' actions > during an evacuation of High River during the 2013 flood said > investigators will return to the southern Alberta town "to clear up a > few remaining gaps" before their findings are released early next year. > During a Monday morning press conference in Ottawa, Ian McPhail , > chairman of the RCMP Public Complaints Commission, said investigators > have gathered reams of evidence since RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson > launched the probe in July 2013, a month after Mounties seized hundreds > of firearms from evacuated homes. "During the course of the > investigation, the commission has received, on a continuing basis, a > massive amount of documentation," McPhail told reporters. "Each receipt > of documentation has provided further leads for the commission to review > and to follow up." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 01:13:07 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Media war on Fantino- Digest V16 #545 On 2014-12-04, at 7:43 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:09:20 -0600 > From: Edward Hudson > Subject: Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino enters the slow ... > > ...spiral dive > > "Fantino has botched (Veterans Affairs) so deeply, so thoroughly, as > to make his earlier contretemps seem modest by comparison." > > "Fantino must go." > > And take Mr. Harper with him. > > Sincerely, > > Eduardo > > Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino enters the slow spiral dive > MICHAEL DEN TANDT, POSTMEDIA NEWS 12.01.2014 > > http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/national/Tandt+Veterans+Affairs+Minister+Julian+Fantino+enters/10434027/story.html > > It may not even have been Fantino�s preference to be out of the > country last week, at a Second World War Italian Campaign > commemoration in Italy, when auditor general Michael Ferguson issued > his fall audit, which included a damning review of mental health > services for veterans Interesting the whole long invective based on an Auditor Generals Audit but no actual quote from the audit nor any link to it. I'll guess I'll have to look it up myself. Post WW I and WW 2, veterans with disabilities but able to do some kinds of work where given a preference for hiring in the ranks of the federal public service. And credits for new career training. Decompression and techniques to deal with the stress of battle was one use for the scholarly and artistic pursuits of the Samurai and their skill at Zen Buddhist meditation. It's not a new problem. The "anti-war" parties are so much afraid of the facing up to the current Clash of Civilizations, they suffer from Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. The news media never mentions the Auditor General's Report of 93 that noted no scientific evidence supported the introduction of C-17(1991) or the later one which noted the same thing about C-68(1995). The news media has no interest in those who been traumatized from attacks by wild predators, home invaders, robbers, rapists and maimers due to being denied their right not to be helpless victims by the government. Learning the skills of how not to be a victim to such attacks is good mental health therapy. But no mention is made of that. As that is one victimization that the news media lobbied hard to institute and now to maintain. As we're still early in this phase of fighting the 3rd Jihad, the number of vets will continue to grow. The solder colleague of W.O. Patrice Vincent who survived the "car jihad" attack that took Vincent's life, is now one of them. We've not had military veterans face combat on Canadian soil for a long time. We'll have to learn to deal with that. It's going to be a long war, both here and abroad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 08:38:21 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: Fw: Read in the news From a friend ..... To: Minister of Public Safety ; The Right Honourable Stephen Harper ; Mark Strahl ; Cheryl Gallant ; Tony Bernardo ; Paul Rogan ; Gary Mauser Subject: Read in the news Honourable Members of Parliament My question remains, why the RCMP's "Prohibited Rifles" are NOT permitted to be used at Gun Clubs by legally registered owners ? Their "too easily converted to 'fully automatic' firearms" argument doesn't "hold water" when StatsCan's numbers of Homicides with such weapons are infinitesimal, IF they exist at all ! I seriously hope our next Conservative Majority will reconsider the recommendations of the Firearms Advisory Committee, "Prime Minister Stephen Harper says his government is unhappy with recommendations from its firearms advisory committee that would further relax the gun laws. The proposals include reclassifying 'prohibited' firearms such as certain handguns and assault weapons as 'restricted,' and extending the duration of gun-owner licenses from five to 10 years." If the Conservatives don't listen to the Firearms Advisory Committee, what's the point of having it ? I realize the last reports available are 2 years old, but hopefully Mr. Harper will take into consideration the views of the Conservative Party's strongest supporters, the millions of Firearms owners in Canada . I would strongly suggest the simplified proposal of the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action's wording in Section 12; A Prohibited Firearm is : (a) An automatic firearm, or; (b) A firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting, or any other altercation, and that, as so adapted, is less than 660 mm (26 in.) in length . A Restricted Firearm is : (a) A firearm that is not a prohibited firearm and ; (b) A handgun, or (c) A firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm (26 in.) by folding, telescoping, or otherwise . A Non-restricted Firearm is a firearm that is not a prohibited or restricted firearm . Now wouldn't that make Canada's Firearms Laws much simpler ? Sincerely, Drew McClure ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:16:28 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: re: .38 Spl. revolvers of yesteryear Having shot into the top of ‘B’ class in IPSC competition with a 4” .357 DA S&W M66 revolver, I take umbrage with the comment that they are easy to shoot. Compared to what? I spent hours cycling the gun with dummy rounds, to the point where I was unable to cycle it one more time. The springs were deliberately left strong to ensure reliable ignition even with hard shell primers. A semi-auto like a 1911 can be fired holding the gun with thumb and middle finger. This was a standard demo to disabuse the impression that it took a grip of iron to shoot a semi-auto pistol. This is easily accomplished with any SA semi-auto pistol. Unless it has been slicked up like a custom PPC revolver, most revolvers require a much firmer grip and stronger trigger action to cycle the gun in double action mode. My wife has great difficulty with my S&W revolvers and finds it utterly impossible to DA cycle my Colt New Service or Mk VI Webley. Cocking the hammer of either gun in SA mode becomes a dangerous act in her hands. More than once I've offered to buy her the DA revolver of her choice (especially one of the pink S&W Ladysmiths), but she is fine with her macho 1911's, thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 7, 2014 11:24 am From: "Dennis Young" Subject: More than 17,000 turned away from Alberta women's shelters ... ...last year More than 17,000 turned away from Alberta women's shelters last year BRENT WITTMEIER, EDMONTON JOURNAL 12.04.2014 http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/edmonton/More+than+turned+away+from+Alberta+women+shelters+last+year/10443104/story.html EDMONTON - Alberta's oil and gas might drive Canada's economic engine, but it's brutal for women stuck in violent relationships. The economy jumps forward and rents escalate, making the prospect of independence nearly impossible. If it sputters, then budgets and donations dry up. Through good times and bad, the province continues to grow, adding more and more women with few external supports. About 250 fewer women were accepted in Alberta's 50-odd shelters last year, down to roughly 5,700 women from nearly 6,000, the Alberta Council of Women's Shelters says. More than 17,000 women were turned away over the same period, up 2,000 from the previous year. "Women's shelters just have not been able to keep up to the need and the demand that is out there," said Jan Reimer, the umbrella organization's executive director. "While the number of women who can't get into a shelter has increased, we're not taking in as many women because women are having to stay longer." Reimer said annual numbers - tabulated between April 2013 and March 2014 - show that while Alberta grew faster than the rest of the country, shelter beds remained nearly stagnant. The province added funding for 70 additional spaces in the 2014-15 budget, a nearly 10-per-cent boost to the 718 funded by provincial and federal governments. The extra funding includes outreach workers, who also help to drive those numbers down. But Edmonton's shelters still turn women away every day, Reimer said. Part of that problem is simple economics. Demand for housing drives costs up, leading to longer stays and fewer spots. Other problems are more complex. Edmonton area shelters often have to relocate families elsewhere in Canada, back to their families or away from violent situations. In recent years, they've also had to deal send temporary foreign workers back home and are also working with human-trafficking victims. They have to teach newcomers to navigate a system, get a health-care number and deal with their immigration status. With space limited, it's often the women without children who get turned away from full shelters, Reimer said. There's also delays at the next stages in the transition out of abusive situations. Alberta has 11 "second-stage" shelters, which often require stays of six months to a year, sometimes 18 months. Reimer hopes the numbers bring light to an ongoing problem and prompt governments to reconsider funding levels. On her wish list is more housing, and a recognition that women bear much of the burden in a thriving economy. "Women are so poor. And their kids are poor," Reimer said. "We talk about affordable housing. They can't afford affordable housing, it's expensive. They need subsidized housing. And there's a real lack of subsidized housing in this city." bwittmeier@edmontonjournal.com twitter.com/wittmeier ----------------------------- CANADA FREE PRESS - THE BILLION DOLLAR BOONDOGGLE CONTINUES The Conservative Government is spending of $57 million a year and keeps a staff of 500 to run the Liberal Government's Firearms Program By Dennis R. Young (Bio and Archives) Monday, May 12, 2014 Comments at bottom of page | Print friendly | Subscribe | Email Us http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/63017 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:42:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Bruce Mills Subject: How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue: Hébert How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue:...In the immediate aftermath of the massacre of 14 women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique 25 years ago, there was national consensus on robust gun control.. News / Canada How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue: Hébert In the immediate aftermath of the massacre of 14 women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique 25 years ago, there was national consensus on robust gun control. Not anymore. How gun control in Canada became a mere wedge issue: Hébert Jacques Boissinot / THE CANADIAN PRESS Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard, centre, and members of the Quebec national assembly obey a minute of silence this week in memory of the 14 Polytechnique victims. Couillard says his government still wants to set up a gun registry, but not at any cost. By: Chantal Hébert National Affairs, Published on Fri Dec 05 2014 MONTREAL - Twenty-five years ago this weekend, a gunman roamed the corridors of Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique, separating the female students from their male counterparts and leaving 14 young women dead and as many injured in his wake. On the morning after the tragedy, few could have imagined that a quarter of a century later the federal government of the day would think it was good politics to highlight its latest efforts to ease Canada's gun control regime against the backdrop of a deadly anniversary. In a pre-election period it seems nothing can get in the way of tone-deaf partisan calculations, not even the lingering echo of the shooting that so recently took place in the very corridors of Parliament's centre block. If Bill C-42, a piece of legislation designed to make it easier to own and transport firearms that would reduce a duck to mere feathers, serves a larger societal purpose, its authors have yet to explain it. Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney claims it will advance the government's war on red tape, but surely in that battle there are more consensual hills to make a stand on this fall. The political purpose of the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act is more transparent. For more than a decade the federal long-gun registry acted as a red flag to a bull in much of rural Canada. The promise to scrap it was a rallying cry for Stephen Harper's Conservatives and it advanced their case for a majority in many communities. By delivering on their commitment, they lost a precious wedge issue. Government strategists may have hoped that the debate on Bill C-42 would elicit the clear and present threat of a return of a gun registry. If anything it has demonstrated that there is little fight left in the pro-registry camp. Even as he stated his party's opposition to Bill C-42, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau reiterated that he had no intention to reopen the registry chapter. And while NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair talked about restoring some form of gun registration, he did so in such vague terms that it is fair to question the seriousness of his intentions. As Mulcair knows, the social acceptability deficit that attended the creation of the registry remains intact. The NDP itself was never of one mind on the issue. Nor to this day are the provinces. Mulcair's Outremont riding is home to Polytechnique. He has always personally supported the registry. But there is a long way between verbally supporting a cause close to the heart of the victims' families and their many sympathizers and actually rebuilding a national registry whose scraps have, for the most part, been destroyed by the Harper government. The exception is the Quebec data but even as the province's government has appealed to the Supreme Court to force Ottawa to hand it over, its commitment to create its own registry increasingly comes across as half-hearted. Earlier this fall, Premier Philippe Couillard would not be pinned down on the issue. He clarified his position in the lead-up to this weekend's anniversary, saying his government still wants to set up a registry albeit not at any cost. The odds that another federal gun registry will ever see the light of day, regardless of the white smoke that the NDP is blowing on the occasion of this weekend's heartbreaking anniversary, range from low to zero. Based on the body language of the Quebec premier, one can't help but think that Couillard will shed crocodile tears if the Supreme Court denies the request to force the federal government to hand over the province's data to his government. According to a French saying, striving for the best often ends up being to the detriment of the good. The gun registry episode is an illustration of that saying. In its zeal to push the gun control envelope further, Jean Chrietien's government ultimately dismissed the rural-urban tensions that the registry's introduction exacerbated. The fact that the project was poorly executed compounded the divide. In the end the biggest casualty of the federal registry initiative was the post-Polytechnique national consensus on the need for a robust gun control policy. The latter has become a wedge issue and if the current federal government can help it, it will remain so. Chantal Hébert is a national affairs writer. Her column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 7, 2014 11:18 pm From: "Dennis Young" Subject: TORONTO SUN - Earth to climate alarmists! by Lorne Gunter TORONTO SUN - Earth to climate alarmists! By Lorne Gunter , QMI Agency -First posted: Saturday, December 06, 2014 06:00 PM EST 73 comments http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/05/earth-to-climate-alarmists There's been a lot of environmental hysteria from the climate alarmists of late. It's a case of the Empire Strikes Back. As the science supporting the theory of dangerous climate change has crumbled, those who rely on it for their grants, donations, jobs and votes have upped their rhetoric. The weaker the science, the louder the predictions of impending doom. For instance, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon last week chastised Canada for not doing enough to prevent climate change. Bizarrely, Ban held out Saudi Arabia as a country Canada should emulate. He told the CBC's Peter Mansbridge that the world's largest oil producer is weaning itself off fossil fuels and Canada should, too. Ban offered scant proof for his claim, which would seem to defy all the evidence. In fact, Saudi Arabia is eyeballs-deep in OPEC's current efforts to drive down world oil prices so as to force up consumption and to force oilsands and shale-oil companies out of business and preserve OPEC members' share of world oil sales. Something else Ban overlooked is Canada's relatively small contribution to global carbon emissions. While the secretary-general singled out Canada and Australia - the two countries' contributions are both under 2% of the worldwide total - he ignored an assessment last week by the chief economist of the International Energy Agency (IEA). Fatih Birol said that even if oilsands production triples in the next 25 years, as forecast, "the additional CO2 emissions coming from the oilsands will be extremely low." Indeed, "it will be equal to only 23 hours of emissions of China - not even one day." But rather than criticize China for its emissions record, Ban has recently praised China for committing to stop growing its emissions total by 2030. China is already the world's largest emitter. It will continue to open a new coal-fired power plant or factory at the rate of one a week for at least the next 15 years. But because it has promised to stop doing that by 2030, it gets the carrot and Canada gets the stick. That's a good example of just how caught up environmentalists and green politicians and diplomats are in symbolism over substance. Even the Tory government of new Alberta Premier Jim Prentice seemed last week to have caved into climate orthodoxy. On his way to the UN's latest annual climate summit in Lima, Peru, Kyle Fawcett, the provincial environment minister, said Alberta was prepared to accept a "price" on carbon (price being a euphemism for tax). Fawcett added - again without offering any proof - "we're past the point where there's any debate around the science of climate change." This is probably a false front designed to convince reluctant politicians, such as Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, that Alberta is serious about the environment, so please let its pipelines through. Still, it is unfortunate that even the Alberta government has abandoned the scientific fight at the very moment that the forces of reason are winning. But perhaps the most over-the-top reaction last week was from the Canadian branch of the Sierra Club, which went ballistic when a Calgary-based organization called Friends of Science bought billboard space across the country to claim that the sun, not carbon emissions, is behind climate change. Like leftists of all kind, the Sierra Club's first response to a message it disagrees with was to dismiss it as false and attempt to have it banned. If you're tempted to believe Sierra that the sun's impact on climate has been "totally debunked," ask yourself this: Do you believe spring returns every year because Earth tilts closer to the sun again or because the atmosphere warms after we've idled our engines for four months. lorne.gunter@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 23:55:44 -0800 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: Thinking is a controversial Activity http://www.naturalnews.com/047892_thinking_independent_journalism_Paul_Craig_Roberts.html In the West truth is dying, because anyone who departs from the official line is branded "controversial." In other words, truth or the search for it is controversial. People who persist in chasing after truth or alternative explanations to the official line are discredited by those who are not served by the truth or alternative explanations. Whistleblowers, once protected by federal law, have been turned into traitors. I have no position on the causes of climate change or Professor McPherson's prognosis. My point isn't that he or the experts he cites are correct. The point is that talking about what is possibly a serious problem is stymied by name-calling and shooting the messenger. I experience it all the time. For example, on December 3 in the London Telegraph, a reporter, Hamish MacDonald said that I am "controversial" for raising questions about "the US government's reaction to the spread of the [ebola] virus" and for "questioning the official story of the September 11 terrorist attacks." In other words, believe the official line because independent thinking is "controversial." It seems odd that a British reporter would settle on his own on me and on University of Illinois law professor Francis Boyle as examples of controversial bloggers. Perhaps he was handed the story by the CIA , as German journalist Udo Ulfkotte confesses he often was. The absence of thought is how humanity walks into armageddon. But we mustn't think or we are controversial. Not only must we not think, we must not report on the thinking of others. Like Professor McPherson who is "just reporting the results from other scientists," I made myself "controversial" by merely reporting the findings of architects, engineers, physicists, chemists, first responders, pilots, and former high government officials concerning the destruction of three WTC skyscrapers and difficult flight maneuvers by inexperienced pilots. We are supposed instead to dismiss these thousands of experts and their professional experience as "conspiracy kooks" or worse. Remember, British prime minister David Cameron declared skeptics of the 9/11 official line to be as dangerous as Islamic State terrorists.[1] In other words, it is controversial to report that a team of scientists led by a professor of nano-chemistry at the University of Copenhagen found reacted and unreacted nano-thermite in the dust of the destroyed skyscrapers and that Building 7 fell at free fall acceleration, hitherto associated only with controlled demolition. I am certainly skeptical of the official explanation of 9/11. As a former government official, I find it difficult to believe that a few young Saudi Arabians operating without the benefit of an intelligence service could outwit the entire National Security apparatus of the Western world. Moreover, if such an implausible event occurred, there would have been demands from the White House and Congress for a thorough investigation of the failure. Instead, the White House resisted any investigation, and in place of an investigation, a political committee wrote down the government's story as the unexamined truth. This is not a believable response to such a humiliating blow suffered by "the world's only superpower." Why is it controversial to make this point? A spoon-fed, no-think society has been created for us, and no one is supposed to think. Reminds me of a science fiction story I read many years ago in which at some point in their development children were tested for the thinking gene. If they had it, they were put down in order to protect the society from dangerous thoughts. Drawing on my education and experience, I look beyond the propaganda for the real explanations. I might not always be correct, but my inquiries are not agenda-driven in behalf of some interest or the other, whether material or ideological. Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/047892_thinking_independent_journalism_Paul_Craig_Roberts.html#ixzz3LI5JVP6J - Paul Craig Roberts 45clive ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V16 #552 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)