From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #252 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, September 7 2012 Volume 15 : Number 252 In this issue: [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: From: Subject: [none] - -SunnewTV Reports are indicating the perpetrator of the shooting and firebombing, on Quebec election night, to be mentally ill. That fits with the raving lunatic video of him wearing a bathrobe and shouting inanities while the police were leading him away. Given that Quebec politicians have used the actions of lunatics in the past as justification all those acquiring or possessing firearms to be viewed as dangerous lunatics, I predict, the P.Q. and the media party will do so again. They'll exploit this tragedy in their ongoing "Holy War" on the civilian possession of firearms and hunting in general. The latest Quebec lunatic owns a fishing/hunting lodge so they'll likely "crack down" on anything to do with those. The CBC has already started an online survey asking if it's too easy to own a firearm in Canada. The CBC guy doing interviews stated that the rifle used in the shooting was not registered and that the issue of registering guns is a "huge" one in Quebec. I noticed that in the media lists of public shootings in Quebec, when there is mention of Denis Lortie, it fails to identify him as a serving Canadian Armed Forces member at the time, using an issued automatic weapon. Since the agenda is civilian disarmament, all facts will be shoehorned to fit that agenda. Why Quebec has proportionately more of these occurrences than other jurisdictions, including those with a higher density of firearms ownership, will, of course, never be asked. The research done by an FBI psychiatrist, decades ago, identified sensationalistic media coverage as being a major factor. The Prime Minister was quoted about the culprit facing the full force of the law. As soon as a verdict of insanity is accepted, the most serious charge of murder will likely not even proceed. Then the police charges under the Firearms Act will be played up. If, as one interviewed friend of the alleged perpetrator, said is true, he was in the city to see his Psychiatrist. That issue may arise from the inevitable the coroner's report. http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/ 2012/09/20120906-114348.html MONTREAL - Richard Henry Bain, the English-speaking fishing lodge owner arrested in a deadly shooting at a separatist victory rally, was arraigned Thursday on first-degree murder and 15 other charges. None of the 16 counts against the 61-year-old mentioned Parti Quebecois premier-elect Pauline Marois, who was rushed off a nightclub stage Tuesday shortly after technician Denis Blanchette was shot and killed nearby. Crown attorney Eliane Perreault wouldn't confirm police suggestions that Marois might have been the target. The Crown also refused to discuss a possible motive. "For now the investigation is ongoing and we'll see in the future if there's any charges that have to be added," Perreault told reporters following the brief arraignment. Constables led the heavy-set, goateed suspect into the courthouse before a horde of news cameras prior to the court hearing Thursday. Shackled hand and foot, the suspect entered the prisoner's box wearing a white T-shirt, blue sweatpants and glasses. He maintained a blank look on his face throughout. Bain is also charged with attempted murder related to the shooting of a second club technician. Other charges are connected to gas, guns and flares in an SUV near the scene. There were also guns in Bain's home north of Montreal, said the Crown. "Two weapons on him, three in the car and 22 at his house," Perreault said. The only unregistered gun was the Ceska Zbrojovka rifle used to shoot the club workers. Marois was concluding a nationally televised victory speech at the packed Metropolis club when a masked man dressed in black came to a rear entrance and opened fire. Blanchette is believed to have tried to stop the attack before being shot and killed. The entrance was set on fire and the suspect ran away before a police officer tackled him and took him into custody. The suspect yelled "The English are waking up" just before he was put into a patrol car, raising the spectre of possible anti-separatist motives. Police have since stepped up security measures around Marois and her home near Quebec City. Bain's friends told QMI Agency the businessman was taking medication for mental illness. Donald Kerr, a retired pastor who lives in Bain's hometown north of Montreal, said the suspect has an obsessive personality. "When I saw Rick on television, I realized that this man was completely crazy," Kerr told QMI Agency from La Conception, Que. "I knew Rick a bit before this terrible event, and I was completely disappointed." Others who know Bain said he showed no signs of violence, though La Conception Mayor Maurice Plouffe said the suspect was a very demanding person who was unable to get authorization to expand his fishing lodge because of a government moratorium. "I'm very surprised," said the mayor. "He was not angry. Persistent, yes, angry, no." ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] and Thread-index: Ac2MlXh23Dh6K/CYQq+DkxgVtdBXBw== Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca There were specific firearms chambered in .50 BMG that were prohibited. Nothing was done specifically about the cartridge. Any rifles not enumerated in the prohibition details is transactable in Canada. http://www.gazette.gc.ca/archives/p1/1998/1998-06-20/html/reg1-eng.html Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 11 [snip] 10. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Barrett "Light Fifty" Model 82A1 rifle and the Barrett Model 90 rifle, and any variants or modified versions of them. [snip] 12. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Iver Johnson AMAC long-range rifle, and any variant or modified version of it. 13. The firearm of the design commonly known as the McMillan M87 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the McMillan M87R rifle and the McMillan M88 carbine. 14. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them. [snip] 20. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Gepard long-range sniper rifle, and any variant or modified version of it. [snip] 22. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Research Armament Industries (RAI) Model 500 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] > From: Walter Martindale > Subject: Tom Graham's letter September 5, Record. > Date: 6 September 2012 10:47:01 PM EDT > To: letters@therecord.com > > Tom Graham wants Waterloo council to support keeping the data from the long gun registry. > > There are a few reasons that this is a waste of breath. First, he argues "This bill is not the will of Canadians. This bill was passed by 159 in favour and 130 against." Well, Bill C-68 of 1995 was passed with time limitations on debate, on June 13, 1995, in a "whipped" vote - rural Liberal MPs had to vote against the wishes of their constituents. I was in a "town hall" meeting in Prince Albert Saskatchewan in 1995 when the local MP very sheepishly said that he supported the proposed law, when not one single other person in the room (there were more than 100) believed that he was speaking his own mind. The vote was 192 Yea, 62 Nay, and 18 "paired members" (whatever that means). This demonstrates the tyranny of the majority government, which as argued by people today against the Conservative majority government, doesn't reflect the proportion of people who voted against the successful government candidates in their ridings. > > The Firearms Act of 1995 represents the will of Alan Rock and the Liberal party of 1995. It has had vocal support from the politicians in charge of the police. However, the registry data are useless. They may have been queried 14,000 times per day, but most of those queries were generated automatically when police checked license plates in traffic stops, as well as the much more rare instances of investigations of criminal activity with suspected weapons use. If I believed that there were truly 14,000 criminal firearms investigations DAILY in Canada, I would do my best to go armed, for protection against rampant gun crime. Oh… gun crime isn't really rampant in Canada, and I don't go armed (I carry a swiss-army knife). We have a different culture than the USA, and we aren't in Afghanistan, either. > > I suggest that the existing Firearms Act was a "wedge" issue back then, and it remains so today. It was bad law then, and it is bad law now. > > What's the safest sport in Canada? Target shooting. No concussions, no broken bones, no fist fights, no clipping, no face-masking, no slashing or hooking, and very cheap insurance (because it's so safe). Mr. Graham should try it - he might like it. > > However, most of what's above doesn't address the long-gun registry. Well… the law has been passed, whether or not Mr. Graham likes it, and it is now illegal in Canada to retain that data set. > > Walter Martindale ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] I am not sure why this question is being asked, at this late date, on this forum. All plans previously supplied have been ignored by most who have continued to support the Conservatives regardless of what their actions were. What was true in the past is equally true now. The more later crew, asking those that rejected that path long ago, what should be done next, is a little more then rich. It is time we were told what the path forward is by the more later crew. What was their plan? I am confident there never was one. Their continued silence speaks volumes. Meek submission got us where we are at. I expect nothing but more of the same from the more later crew. I am well aware of who those that supported C-21 are as you are yourself. Al > Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:16:46 -0700 > From: Christopher di Armani > Subject: Re: CSSA's Great Canadian Gun Registry Shuffle > > <3.0.6.32.20120904070203.029b52e0@pop.telus.net> > In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20120904070203.029b52e0@pop.telus.net> > Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Precedence: normal > Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > > While that's an excellent description of the PROBLEM, it doesn't address > how to SOLVE that problem, which is the question I asked Eduardo. > > What I would love to see is your plan of action or your roadmap for > removing Section 91 from the criminal code. That's what I'd like to > know. The problem is something I and probably everyone here are already > very well aware of. > > Yours in Liberty, > > Christopher di Armani > christopher@diarmani.com > http://christopherdiarmani.com > > > On 2012-09-04 6:02 AM, 10x@telus.net wrote: >> At 09:57 PM 03/09/2012 -0700, 10x wrote: >>> On 2012-09-03 7:50 PM, Edward Hudson wrote: >>>> What is important is that Stephen Harper has betrayed us with Bill >>>> C-19. >>>> Mr. Harper has no intention of repealing the Firearms Act (the >>>> Liberals' 1995 Bill C-68) and it attendant changes to the Criminal >>>> Code; >>>> Mr. Harper plans to keep licencing. >>>> And he has squander every argument we had against Licencing in passing >>>> that worthless piece of junk Bill C-19. >>>> >>>> I suggest we need to focus on what "is destroying us" - that which is >>>> truly important. >>>> >>>> We need to focus on licencing. >>> Well Ed, since the things I'm doing are incorrect and useless by your >>> assessment, Harper has "betrayed us" and will keep licensing, I look >>> forward to hearing your plan for ridding Canada of the current licensing >>> scheme. >>> >>> If you're not comfortable sharing the full plan and timeline for >>> completion here on the Digest you can reach me privately at >>> christopher@diarmani.com. >> Simply put it is Section 91 of the criminal code of Canada that has to be >> dealt with. >> Once more, >> Section 91 makes it a criminal code offense to possess a gun. >> Then creates "the license" that suspendes the ability of the courts to >> convict. >> But "the license" does not cover all guns, and when it expires there is >> no >> grace period >> Nor was there a grace period for compliance when the license was brought >> into effect December 1, 1998. >> >> Not to mention Section 117 of the Firearms act allows the minister in >> charge to change the terms under which a license is obtained, held, and >> renewed. The recent anouncement of the return of fees is a result of >> these >> powers. >> There is no oversight on a ministerial decision made under Section 117 or >> 119 of the Firearms act, nor is there an appeal to those decisions in the >> court system. >> >> At this point imagine a minister with the values of Mr. Mark Holland >> (M.P. >> retired) with the powers of Section 117 to reclassify what guns a license >> covers. Handguns and semi auto matics would be gone - well legal ones. >> >> Right now licensing only keeps firearms out of the hands of the law >> abiding >> - criminals don't bother to go through the process, >> nor are they subject to scrutiny and review by the police. >> >> Licensing is currently a tool for confiscation. A local fellow missed >> his >> firearms license renewal by a few days - he lost the 12(x) status on his >> license and suddenly his hands became "the wrong hands". No violence, no >> victim, just the crime of lapse of memory and now he has to dispose of >> some >> of his guns or face criminal charges. >> >> The fact that gun owners are charged a fee for a license they must obtain >> or face criminal charges is akin to the protection money paid to >> criminals >> in the 1930s. It is extortion. The anti gun owner faction in the >> government and the legislation calls it a "fee". >> > > > - -- > > Yours in Liberty, > > Christopher di Armani > christopher@diArmani.com > http://diArmani.com > http://ChristopherDiArmani.com ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] Subject: Yukon Hunting with an AR-15 Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Okay, would some one tell me if you are allowed to hunt in the Yukon (Canada) with an AR-15 as depicted on the History channel last night? Are these firearms not classified as restricted and thereby excluded for hunting use?      Inquiring minds need to know.   Cheers,   Peter ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ... encounters in Mexico-N.P. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/06/analysis-zetas-drug-cartel-feud-could-draw-increase-bloody-encounters-in-mexico/ Analysis: Zetas drug cartel feud could increase bloody encounters in MexicoIoan Grillo, Reuters | Sep 6, 2012 2:51 PM ET | Last Updated: Sep 6, 2012 2:52 PM ET More from Reuters Handout / Reuters Police trucks are parked underneath a bridge at a crime scene in San Luis Potosi on September 6, 2012. Three men and a woman were found hanging from the bridge with signs of having been tortured, according to local media. The most brutal drug cartel in Mexico, the Zetas, appears to be rupturing with its hit men turning their guns on each other in a twist to the country's turf wars that threatens a new wave of bloodshed and chaos. The most brutal drug cartel in Mexico appears to be rupturing with its hit men turning their guns on each other in a twist to the country’s turf wars that threatens a new wave of bloodshed and chaos. The killing of Zetas by Zetas, including the massacre of 14 suspected gang members on the outskirts of the central city of San Luis Potosi last month, springs from an internal feud between the cartel’s supreme commander and his deputy, Mexican investigators say. As much as the Mexican government and rival gangs may welcome discord in the Zetas’ ranks, an explosion of violence ordered by its notoriously bloodthirsty leaders could be a major headache for President-elect Enrique Pena Nieto. He takes office on December 1 and has vowed to quickly reduce the number of beheadings and mass executions seen over the past six years. But if the Zetas cartel were to break in two, it could unleash havoc as its 10,000-plus gunmen fight for control of local trafficking networks and smuggling routes. “It’s a real problem. It’s like if the HIV virus mutates. Then you have to find two vaccines,” said a Mexican military officer who has been battling the Zetas across the country. Related Nine bodies hung from bridge in northern Mexico as drug war rages U.S. soldiers arrested in Mexican drug cartel murder-for-hire plot Drug cartel death threats force police in Mexico’s most violent city into hiding Some officials tout the split as evidence of the success security forces have had in cracking down on the Zetas, from stings on their U.S. assets to assaults by Mexican marines on their urban safe houses and guerrilla-style camps. The in-fighting has been a boon for security forces as Zetas operatives inform on their former colleagues. And another beneficiary of the chaos is Mexico’s most-wanted man, Joaquin “Shorty” Guzman, boss of the powerful Sinaloa Cartel that has been mired in a costly fight for control against Zetas across much of the country. The ruthless Zetas have perpetrated some of the most sickening acts of Mexico’s drug war and continued to expand even as rival gangs joined forces against them. Interrogations of captured Zetas show that the split stems from disputes over shares of the cartel’s criminal spoils, according to Mexican military officers and investigators. In June, hundreds of FBI agents across the United States raided a vast horse-breeding business that they alleged belonged to the Zetas’ second-in-command, Miguel Trevino. Jose Trevino, a brother of the Zetas leader, was among those arrested. The stables received more than $1 million a month from Mexico and had more than 300 stallions, according to the FBI. One of the horses was called Number One Cartel. “The news made other Zetas angry about how much money Trevino was taking. And with these people, anger can quickly turn to violence,” the military officer told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. Rivalry between Trevino and the cartel’s supreme boss, Heriberto Lazcano, has been brewing for several years as the cartel expanded far across Mexico and into Central America. GROWING VIOLENCE The eruption of violence helped make August the second bloodiest month since outgoing President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006 and launched a campaign against the cartels, according to a tally compiled by newspaper Milenio. It estimated 1,341 people were killed in gang-related brutality in August. When Zetas fight Zetas, the results are likely to be particularly gory. The cartel, which was founded by 14 army defectors in 1998, often uses military grade weaponry and is accused of the worst atrocities in Mexico’s drug war. In May, Zetas were alleged to be behind the killing of 49 people, whose bodies had their heads, arms and feet chopped off and were dumped near the city of Monterrey. The gang has also been blamed for the murders of hundreds of people whose bodies ended up dumped in mass graves, the massacre of 72 foreign migrant workers headed to the United States, and an arson attack on a casino in Monterrey that claimed 52 lives. When gangs turn in on themselves, killings tend to spiral as hit men have little trouble finding former comrades. “They know where they live, where they go, what they do and who they know,” said San Luis Potosi attorney general Miguel Angel Garcia. A man who survived the recent massacre in San Luis Potosi by lying still under the pile of corpses was able to give the army the address of a Zeta leader involved in the attack. That led to a two-hour firefight outside a university in the city as students took cover under desks. Soldiers killed three suspected Zetas members in the shootout and captured four more. A report by Mexico’s organized crime unit in January found the Zetas have a presence in 16 of Mexico’s 31 states in addition to the capital, more than the oldest and wealthiest crime group, Guzman’s Sinaloa Cartel. Some experts say disputes were inevitable given the gang’s rapid growth. “When a cartel expands its tentacles so much, an internal conflict is inevitable,” said Mike Vigil, a former chief of international operations for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. “These types of conflicts are in the nature of organized crime, like when John Gotti fought with (Salvatore) “Sammy the Bull” Gravano,” he said, referring to the late New York mobster and his former lieutenant Gravano. “There is no honor among thieves. It is all governed by money and power.” PAINFUL CURE Some investigators argue that the fragmentation of the Zetas is a necessary part of destroying the criminal army. However, others fear that the end result could be more cartels for security forces to fight. Calderon’s six-year military offensive against the drug cartels has seen 22 major traffickers and tens of thousands of their henchmen arrested or killed, causing several gangs to fragment. In 2010, the Zetas themselves broke away from the Gulf Cartel, for whom they used to work as enforcers. As cartels have splintered, they have often become more violent and radical, unleashing even more chaos. To date, more than 55,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence during Calderon’s term. The 14 Zetas men murdered in the van in San Luis Potosi were originally from the northern state of Coahuila and were alleged to be traffickers under the command of Trevino. They were killed by gang members close to Lazcano, investigators say. Following the incident, there have been more than 40 other killings in San Luis Potosi and the neighboring state of Zacatecas that investigators attribute to the feud. One body was dumped next to a note that read, “This will happen to all the traitors.” In another case, a woman was shot dead after visiting a convicted Zetas operative in prison, signaling they could be targeting each others’ family members. The in-fighting may also be spreading to the northern industrial city of Monterrey, a Zetas stronghold, where a surge in violence included 33 murders in two days last month. Rival cartels could take advantage of the Zetas feud to try to grab their assets or take sides in the dispute. The leader of the Knights Templar cartel, a gang in the western state of Michoacan, released a video calling for an attack on the Zetas, while singling out Trevino as a target. “We call for a common front against the Zetas, especially Z-40 Miguel Angel Trevino, a person who has sown terror and confusion in our country,” Knights Templar boss Servando Gomez said from a hidden location in a video posted online. Mexican investigators have confirmed its authenticity. The Zetas conflict has even found its way into Mexico’s famous drug ballads, which tell tales of the cartel wars. One song posted on Internet site YouTube calls Trevino “The New Judas” and accuses him of selling out other Zetas to the police. “By betraying comrades, he got to the top,” the song goes to the sound of accordions and acoustic guitars. “He knows well his objective, which is to become the leader of the Zetas.” ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] <50458A4F.30203@diarmani.com> <2002850C-E058-41D0-B910-87864E9607EE@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <2002850C-E058-41D0-B910-87864E9607EE@shaw.ca> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca I was very sincere when I wrote: >> I look forward to hearing your plan for ridding Canada of the current licensing scheme. I still am. Our "extreme variance" is simply one of focus; you see nothing but evil in Bill C-19 and I see "gun control" beaten back for the first time in recent Canadian history. That's a great thing from a public relations standpoint because, as you are well aware I am sure, Windy Wendy and her ilk have hung their credibility around the world on their contention that "registration saves lives". This is the first time in a *generation* that Wendy's crowd has faced a reversal here in Canada. Yes, that makes me extremely happy. I make no apology for that. It's a step in the right direction for the first time in my lifetime, tiny as it may be. Does C-19 solve the actual problem of our being criminalized sections 91 and 92 of the Criminal Code of Canada? Of course not! I've never said it does, contrary to what some apparently think. *I* do not have the solution for ridding Canada of those two sections of the Criminal Code but your response to me indicates that you do, so I'll say it again... >> I look forward to hearing your plan for ridding Canada of the >> current licensing scheme. >> >> If you're not comfortable sharing the full plan and timeline for >> completion here on the Digest you can reach me privately at >> christopher@diarmani.com. Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diarmani.com http://christopherdiarmani.com On 2012-09-07 5:40 AM, Edward Hudson wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Re: CSSA's Great Canadian Gun Registry Shuffle > > I had no intention of belittling your work. > You are one of the best writers and hardest workers for our Right to > protect ourselves that I know. > > My objective in my post was to admonish you to stay focused on the > thing that matters. > > I obviously fail in that quest. > > I apologize for offending you. > > We seem to be at extreme variance of the value of Mr. Harper's Bill > C-19, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act. > > If you are open to sincere dialogue on this topic, > I would welcome the opportunity to discuss our various ideas. > > Sincerely, > > Ed. > > On 3-Sep-12, at 10:57 PM, Christopher di Armani wrote: > >> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> Precedence: normal >> Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> >> On 2012-09-03 7:50 PM, Edward Hudson wrote: >>> What is important is that Stephen Harper has betrayed us with Bill >>> C-19. >>> Mr. Harper has no intention of repealing the Firearms Act (the >>> Liberals' 1995 Bill C-68) and it attendant changes to the Criminal >>> Code; >>> Mr. Harper plans to keep licencing. >>> And he has squander every argument we had against Licencing in passing >>> that worthless piece of junk Bill C-19. >>> >>> I suggest we need to focus on what "is destroying us" - that which is >>> truly important. >>> >>> We need to focus on licencing. >> >> Well Ed, since the things I'm doing are incorrect and useless by your >> assessment, Harper has "betrayed us" and will keep licensing, I look >> forward to hearing your plan for ridding Canada of the current licensing >> scheme. >> >> If you're not comfortable sharing the full plan and timeline for >> completion here on the Digest you can reach me privately at >> christopher@diarmani.com. > -- Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com http://diArmani.com http://ChristopherDiArmani.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #252 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)