Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 21 2011 Volume 14 : Number 726 In this issue: re: Winnipeg Grocer accused of killing shoplifter goes free Fwd: Re: Guns re: "hunting is wrong ..." Letter to the Editor TSA begins random road inspections in Tennessee Re: Saskatchewan Court of Appeal Decision: 'No Right to Trial' Morley cadet corps instils pride in native youths Long-Gun Registry: Victim Feels Ignored By Tory Government Announcement from International Defensive Pistol Association OUTDOOR CANADA: Bill to scrap gun registry disappears... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 8:02 am From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: re: Winnipeg Grocer accused of killing shoplifter goes free Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 8:02 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Winnipeg Grocer accused of killing shoplifter goes free NATIONAL POST - OCTOBER 20, 2011 Grocer accused of killing shoplifter goes free By Tamsin McMahon http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/20/grocer-accused-of-killing-shoplifter-goes-free/ The lawyer said Mr. Kim has always maintained he did not cause Ms. Beardy's fatal injuries. He would not elaborate on Mr. Kim's version of events, citing the need to protect his client in case the Crown reinstates the charges. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The right to remain silent remains The Golden Rule of Legal Defence, eh? It seems that the Crown's persecutors can't build or fabricate a case against Kim, because of it. Yours in tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 10:18 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Fwd: Re: Guns Re: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/10/19/18850811.html#/news/london/2011/10/19/pf-18850806.html We need to stop this fruitless focus on inanimate objects and start looking at reductions in crime as a measure of police success. Want to end drug violence? Then end the prohibition that fuels it. Just consider when the last time was that competing liquor vendors engaged in violent turf wars...that's right back when alcohol was prohibited. This continual harping on guns is a red herring, a strawman. Focus on violent people. The tools they abuse are secondary. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:19:25 -0700 From: Sandee Birch Subject: re: "hunting is wrong ..." Yeah, every once in a while we all encounter this PETA inspired Bambi-loving attitude. Far better that we gorge ourselves on supersized portions of feed lot beef, enhanced with anabolic steroids, red dye and antibiotics. Our pre-pubescent girls really need those enhanced boobs. My ranching friends tell me what goes on in the beef industry and it's enough to make 'Ronald' and 'Wendy' go for tofu burgers. I just picked up my cut/wrapped/frozen mule deer buck and we are so looking forward to REAL meat protein, sans additives. Now to find a nice fat bear .... great stew, roasts and sausages. The fat makes for great baking and hand creme, mixed with glycerin and rose water. BTW - PETA is offering $1 million for the first producer of "grown meat". Yep, meat that replicates itself so no animal has to die - the ultimate "Frankenfood". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 10:27 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the Editor Sir/Ms, Can you imagine the field day the Crown Persecutor (sic) and her fellow statists would have if this had happened in Canada? The mother would be thoroughly raked over the coals as an example to anyone else who may think that waiting for a response to a 911 call just takes too long when some violent, armed criminal is headed out the door with your kidnapped child in tow. Pointing, illegal discharge, dangerous use, murder, illegal carry and concealment, excessive noise, operating a shooting range without a permit, you name it. Oh ya, let's not forget their favorite catch-all charge: Unsafe storage. All for the "crime" of defending her baby's life. While I do feel sorrow for the loss of life and the path that led her assailant to this point, still I commend this woman. her actions display a courage under adversity that most of our politicians and so-called victims groups haven't the wherewithal to even approach. Effective personal defense is a right that no State should ever try to abolish. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:45:55 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: TSA begins random road inspections in Tennessee http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15725035/officials-claim-tennessee-becomes-first-state-to-deploy-vipr-statewide Tennessee Becomes First State To Fight Terrorism Statewide By Adam Ghassemi PORTLAND, Tenn. - You're probably used to seeing TSA's signature blue uniforms at the airport, but now agents are hitting the interstates to fight terrorism with Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR). "Where is a terrorist more apt to be found? Not these days on an airplane more likely on the interstate," said Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons. Tuesday Tennessee was first to deploy VIPR simultaneously at five weigh stations and two bus stations across the state. Agents are recruiting truck drivers, like Rudy Gonzales, into the First Observer Highway Security Program to say something if they see something. "Not only truck drivers, but cars, everybody should be aware of what's going on, on the road," said Gonzales. It's all meant to urge every driver to call authorities if they see something suspicious. "Somebody sees something somewhere and we want them to be responsible citizens, report that and let us work it through our processes to abet the concern that they had when they saw something suspicious," said Paul Armes, TSA Federal Security Director for Nashville International Airport. The Tennessee Highway Patrol checked trucks with drug and bomb sniffing dogs during random inspections. "The bottom line is this: if you see something suspicious say something about it," Gibbons said Tuesday. The random inspections really aren't any more thorough normal, according to Tennessee Highway Patrol Colonel Tracy Trott who says paying attention to details can make a difference. Trott pointed out it was an Oklahoma state trooper who stopped Timothy McVeigh for not having a license plate after the Oklahoma City bombing in the early 1990s. Tuesday's statewide "VIPR" operation isn't in response to any particular threat, according to officials. Armes said intelligence indicates law enforcement should focus on the highways as well as the airports. Email: aghassemi@newschannel5.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Re: Saskatchewan Court of Appeal Decision: 'No Right to Trial' Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Saskatchewan Court of Appeal Decision: 'No Right to Trial' I agree with the court. If I had to clerk for the appeal judge, I would do the similar draft of the decision. You should stop going to court unprepared, otherwise you may cause huge legal damage for the rest of us (especially with appeal courts who are binding on lower courts in your province and have some weight for others). Remember, 1. Trial Courts is the best battle ground for facts and law. 2. Appeal court is only questi on of law and application of law. Unless you can show the judge is an idiot (doesn't understand the law, cannot apply the law properly to the facts), you will lose it. [Note: judge doesn't have to be an idiot, you just have t o show it. That's why great argument, legal authority, case law and great l ogical points are important.] PS. I can bet $20 that Supreme Court will i gnore the appeal for this decision. Vlad - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Vlad, I mean this not as criticism but as a unique opportunity. We need all the help we can get. Please illustrate all your points using more details, examples and sources to present it as a critique of Eduardo's legal performances rather than criticism. Some things, among others, which you may wish to include: 1. Where were Eduardo's arguments weak? How could they be improved? 2. What other legal authorities should have and/or could have been used? 3. Expand upon the weaknesses you claim existed within the applied logic? We could use some lawyers. 4. List the lawyers' names who were publicly acclaimed for their court room performances by a former judge. 5. List the lawyers' names who represented members of the Canadian firearms community and were publicly acclaimed for their court room performances by a former judge. You do have a hard act to follow. I was present at one of Eduardo's pervious Appeals court hearings which was not accepted for appeal by the Supreme Court of Canada. At that time, former Chief Justice Edward Dmytro Bayda [(September 9, 1931 - April 2, 2010) was the Chief Justice of Saskatchewan, Canada and Chief Justice of the Province's Court of Appeal] made a personal visit to listen with us. He provided a critique of Eduardo's performance which was excellent. There were several supporters from the firearms community within the court of Appeals that day who heard Judge Bayda's asscessment and can attest to my description. Now, please enlighten us. Yours in tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 1:51 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Morley cadet corps instils pride in native youths CALGARY HERALD - OCTOBER 20, 2011 Morley cadet corps instils pride in native youths By Jamie Komarnicki, Calgary Herald October 19, 2011 http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Morley+cadet+corps+instils+pride+native+youths/5576882/story.html MORLEY - A drum circle pounds out a beat as a small corps of Stoney Nakoda youth marches in step across the Morley school gymnasium. The youth's crisp blue shirts are tucked into trousers that have a long, gold stripe down the leg. Each of the marchers hold a white model rifle upright in the palm of his hand. At the front of the room they assemble in rows, shoulders back, heads high, responding to directives from their commanding officer, fumbling just a bit when some kids turn right while others left. The uniformed young band members are the first graduating class of the Stoney Tribal Cadet Corps. The pride of their families and community, the youths are also a symbol of the tribe's efforts to rid the reserve of troubling gang violence. Eighteen months ago Cochrane RCMP Cpl. Mel Calahasen was concerned that 60 per cent of his detachment's resources were being directed to calls in nearby Morley. Gang violence was prevalent on the reserve, home to 4,500 Stoney Nakoda band members, Calahasen said. Youths were getting sucked into a dangerous lifestyle. Inspired to reach out to the kids, he formed the Stoney Tribal Cadet Corps, a paramilitary-style program that teaches kids drill, self-discipline, dress and deportment. "The goal is teach these kids options other than violence," Calahasen said. "We do have gang violence here that is prevalent in this community. We're hoping that this program will certainly steer those kids away from that kind of initiative and hopefully give them something positive to look forward to." In a special ceremony Wednesday at the Morley Community School gymnasium, more than 30 cadets displayed their newly learned skills before family, school peers and band leaders. "I just wanted to join them because it looked fun," said cadet Toni Holloway, 11. Shenoa Snow, 14, said she's been working hard learning the drills, attending practices twice a week. "It's something new to learn." For the youths, the drills may seem an entertaining way to spend time with their friends and learn new skills. Their families see something more powerful in the program. "I think it teaches them discipline, structure, positive self-esteem, the willingness to look to the future for career goals," said Pauline Wesley, watching three grandchildren at the drill. "It's good the kids do these kinds of things so they can stay away from drugs and alcohol, violence. They need something to look forward to." Teresa Snow has two daughters in the program: Arizona, 10, and Shenoa, 14. "The community needed something like this for our youth," she said. "They have their uniforms on - their faces brighten up, they stand taller." The group meets twice a week for a variety of activities, including drill practice and to learn leadership skills. They learn to work together as a group, said Calahasen. "The philosophy of this program is that no one's alone." The cadet corps is based on a similar outreach program in Hobbema - a reserve north of Red Deer notorious for gang violence. In Morley, gang members are also making inroads, Calahasen said. Cochrane RCMP respond to up to 14,000 calls a year on the reserve west of Calgary. When Calahasen started the program, he hoped for at least a dozen youths. The number who come regularly is more than double that. "When I saw the kids were coming and continued coming each and every time, it blew me away," said Calahasen. Lt. Whalen Kaquitts attended a training course in Hobbema to learn how to lead the cadet corps drills. Today, he finds it difficult to describe just how proud he is of the youths in his tribe. "One day, these guys will be leading us," he said. jkomarnicki@calgaryherald.com Twitter.com/journojamie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 2:35 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Long-Gun Registry: Victim Feels Ignored By Tory Government THE HUFFINGTON POST - OCTOBER 20, 2011 Long-Gun Registry: Victim Feels Ignored By Tory Government That Prides Itself On Being The Voice Of Victims By Althia Raj - Updated: 10/20/11 11:49 AM ET Althia.Raj@huffingtonpost.com http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/20/long-gun-registry-victim-conservative-government-scrapping_n_1021558.html As the Tories prepare to introduce legislation to to scrap the long-gun registry as early as this Thursday, a mother whose child was slain by gun violence says the Conservatives may claim to support victims but have consistently ignored the real victims of crime who are fighting to keep the registry alive. Elaine Lumley's son Aidan was killed outside a bar in Montreal in November 2005. The 20 year old, a top athlete at Trent University who had just made the Ontario swim team and was training for a chance at the Olympics, was in town for a friend's birthday party. He was grabbed and shot in the back leaving the Vinyl Lounge, a club on de Bleury street, after his friends had an altercation with another group of guys in the bar. "It doesn't matter how many years go by, time moves in a certain way when your child gets killed," his mother told HuffPost Wednesday. "Aidan was studying physics and he was an A student. He's my only child," Lumley said. "We had just gotten out of the teenage years, where he was becoming human again, and he was so funny. And he was 6'2" and he was blonde and so beautiful and he was always smiling." His murder was never solved, although police, she said, believe they know who killed her son, they have no eyewitnesses and chose not to press charges. "In a sense, maybe I needed to put my anger somewhere, so directing it towards the Government was very easy because, you know, they never took the time to address us," she said. Lumley joined the Coalition for Gun Control, a group that includes many women whose children have been killed by guns. She acknowledges Aidan was more than likely killed by an illegal gun, but that doesn't stop her from campaigning to keep the registry alive. "I became an advocate for safety, for trying to get the guns off the street in Canada," she said. "Losing the database would be huge, huge, setback for us." She wholehearted believes the long-gun registry provides a useful investigative tool for police officers - a position echoed by the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association (CPA) - and can help save lives. "It's been frustrating because people will not listen to us," she said, that sense of exasperation evident in her voice. "Every politician of every group will speak with us, the mothers' who have lost children, except for the Conservatives. Not one Conservative (MP) will speak with us." Lumley doesn't believe the Coalition for Gun Control is being ignored but, rather, that Tory MPs and the Prime Minister don't have the guts to face the women. "They don't know how to speak with us. I think that there might be a type of shame involved with sitting down with us because most MPs have children, and most MPs have mothers, and to actually look us in the eyes, I think they can't bring themselves to do that. And I think (that's why) they can't sit down with the children of Dawson College. I think, in a sense, it is easier just to push us aside." Instead, she said, the Tories champion the gun lobby. "I'm not a political person but it has been very interesting seeing all of this play out. Because I realize just how powerful the gun lobby groups are in Canada. And they are loud! And they make you believe that every hunter and every farmer wants to get rid of the gun registry," Lumley said. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews' office stressed the Tories campaigned on a platform this spring that included ending the long-gun registry "once and for all" and that was exactly what it intended to do. "Our Conservative Government does not support treating law abiding hunters, farmers and sport shooters as criminals. We have consistently opposed this wasteful and ineffective measure, which does nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals," Toews' spokeswoman Julie Carmichael said in an email. Hunters, farmers and outdoors men portray themselves as victims, Lumley said, "but yet they have no clue what a victim is." Quick Poll: Should the long-gun registry be abolished? (results as of 2:32 MT) Yes - 65.46% No - 34.54% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 2:50 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Announcement from International Defensive Pistol Association Announcement from International Defensive Pistol Association Wednesday, October 19th, 2011 at 4:30 PM http://www.ammoland.com/2011/10/19/announcement-from-international-defensive - -pistol-association/ A Message to All IDPA Members from Executive Director Joyce Wilson. USA --(Ammoland.com)- In 1996, the International Defensive Pistol Association was formed as a grassroots organization to fulfill a need not addressed by other shooting sports. The initial membership was ~30 shooters. In the intervening years, our membership has swelled to 18,000 and continues to grow. With this growth comes the desire to serve our members while retaining our commitment to the grassroots nature of our sport. After much groundwork, I am excited to announce an initiative to bring in our members to provide input and guidance for our sport. For the past few months, we have been working on an effort to examine how we can best serve our membership by addressing changing needs in IDPA using the Tiger Team methodology. The term Tiger Team has been described as 'a team of undomesticated and uninhibited specialists, selected for their experience, energy, and imagination, and assigned to track down relentlessly every possible source of opportunity' for success in a project. We will create Tiger Teams to look at various aspects of the sport, including but not limited to: .Classifications .Divisions .Rulebook .Marketing .Safety Officer Education .Equipment .Rule Change Process .And other identified areas. Team members will represent our rank and file based on a combination of their activity in and passion for the sport; expertise and skills they bring to the group; geographic diversity; class and division diversity; understanding of the rulebook; and willingness to work in partnership with the team and with HQ. With this goal in mind, I have tasked Terry Burba from Texas and Kitty Richards from New York to facilitate this process and act as liaison for the Tiger Teams and HQ. I selected Terry and Kitty based on a combination of their world wide experience as Safety Officers/Safety Officers Instructors and their overall passion for IDPA. No one has worked more matches this year than Terry and Kitty. Additionally, their knowledge is compounded through their professional careers, as they both act as facilitators and agents of change for large international organizations, and have years of experience in delivering successful project outcomes within the Fortune 500 world. Each Tiger Team, focusing on a single area, will include one or both of the Facilitators and a Leader. The Leader and Facilitators will work in conjunction with HQ to select members to examine that area of the sport and deliver their recommendations to me; once vetted, I will present them to the Board for discussion, approval, or future consideration. Not all recommendations can or will be implemented, but ALL information will be considered! Since almost every principle in IDPA hinges on the rulebook, we have created our initial Tiger Team to look at how we can make our rulebook more straightforward without massive rule changes and without creating a new rulebook. This team will kick-off next week and will investigate methods of streamlining and/or clarifying the rulebook and will present recommendations to me after the first of 2012. As part of this look into the rulebook, we may break the rule book up into multiple Tiger Teams. To ensure consistency, some of the initial Tiger Team members may be asked to act as Leader for subsequent Teams. This is an exciting time in IDPA as we work together to improve our guiding principles. You will be kept abreast of the progress through quarterly communications from me to the membership - these will be posted on the idpa.com website, our Linked-In Group, and our IDPA FaceBook Page. As always, please reach out to me if you have questions or concerns. It is my honor to serve you, Joyce About IDPA: The International Defensive Pistol Association is the governing body of a practical shooting sport that simulates self defensive scenarios and real life encounters. IDPA is uniquely geared toward being friendly to the new and/or recreational shooter and yet fun and challenging for the experienced competitor. The sport was developed so that practical "everyday" guns and gear may be used competitively. IDPA is the perfect sport for the CCW holder to add experience and proficiency to his or her gun handling skills. IDPA has over 17,000 active members and more than 300 clubs in the US and around the world allowing members to safely exercise their shooting skills. IDPA also has members in 50 countries outside the US. For more information please visit www.idpa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 20, 2011 3:05 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: OUTDOOR CANADA: Bill to scrap gun registry disappears... ... from House agenda OUTDOOR CANADA: Bill to scrap gun registry disappears from House agenda By Patrick Walsh, October 20th, 2011 at 10:07 am http://outdoorcanada.ca/15599/blogs/field-findings/bill-to-scrap-registry-disappears-from-house-agenda I had heard rumours that yet another private member's bill was in the offing to scrap the gun registry. My first thought was: what the hell? Why a private member's bill when the Conservatives, who openly pledged to ditch the reviled registry, have a majority? Why not stand behind their convictions and table a government bill in the House of Commons? Well, it looks like that may yet happen. According to reports in the Montreal Gazette and Toronto Sun, the Harper government was set to follow through on its election promise and table the relevant bill today. However, the online posting of today's legislative agenda for the House does not indicate any such bill (which, incidentally, appeared on the Notice Paper yesterday, but has now mysteriously disappeared). So, what gives? As of now, the feds are keeping mum on the reason, or reasons, for delaying the bill's introduction and first reading. Perhaps they're expecting discussion of the scrapping of the Canadian Wheat Board to suck up today's House time. Hopefully it's as simple as that. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #726 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)