Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, June 22 2010 Volume 13 : Number 924 In this issue: A grizzly bear, a .44 magnum and a brush with death =?iso-8859-1?Q?McChrystal's_real_offense__?= re: "... 70,000 rds of ammunition ..." Tory crime bill to cost extra $618M per year Recent political polls in Canada Cop kills dog while giving family death notification RE: "... 70,000 rds of ammunition ..." RE: Cop kills dog while giving family death notification RE: A grizzly bear, a .44 magnum and a brush with death Concerning the return of our suppressed individual property rights? Chimps, Too, Wage War and Annex Rival Territory- New York Times ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, June 22, 2010 7:55 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: A grizzly bear, a .44 magnum and a brush with death GLOBE AND MAIL - JUNE 22, 2010 A grizzly bear, a .44 magnum and a brush with death By Sarah Boesveld http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-grizzly-bear-a-44-magnum-and- a-brush-with-death/article1612554/ Leon Lorenz had filmed her before, her smooth black and white grizzly fur a notable gem in his wildlife repertoire. But he'd never been as close to the full-grown bear as he was last Monday around 7 p.m. when the light in British Columbia's Robson Valley was perfect and the terrain so smooth he could walk silently between the trees. "I remember telling myself I would be surprised if I wouldn't see a grizzly," he said from his home office in Dunster, B.C. There she stood, about 25 yards away from him, her back turned as she grazed on some food. Her two-year-old cub lingered nearby. In a flash, that second of serenity became a moment of terror when the grizzly bear turned and bounded straight toward him, the veteran wildlife filmmaker narrowly escaping death at the hands of one of his most beautiful subjects. Mr. Lorenz has filmed grizzlies for the past 19 years and knew well how to prepare for an encounter with a bear. He'd washed with unscented soap and was sure to walk without making any noise. He knew he could likely talk his way out of a grizzly attack by calmly reassuring the beasts. After all, he'd done it before. Most importantly, he'd packed his .44 magnum stainless steel handgun, a safe companion he'd toted on many of his excursions since his mother asked him to get one 10 years ago. At first, he didn't have a clear view of the bear, her body shrouded by a layer of branches. Mr. Lorenz silently shifted to the right to get a clearer view, then began recording. "She turned, right there, and I could see she caught my scent," said the 53-year-old filmmaker. "I just knew I was being detected. Then suddenly, she just looks right at me and she did a wheel and ran." He kept one hand on the tripod and drew the other to his holster, pulling out the gun he'd never had to use. The grizzly zigzagged toward him, roaring the whole time. Mr. Lorenz lifted the gun and set it off, just four feet above her head. The shot was enough to startle the bear and make her turn in the opposite direction. "This was something that she wasn't expecting, to get blasted in the face; that was enough to put a damper on killing me," he said. "If I didn't have the gun, I would have been dead." Even missing the bear might've been key to saving his life, said Mr. Lorenz, who was unhurt in the incident. "If I had made a fatal shot, she would have had me to shreds." Mr. Lorenz said he returned to the site the same evening looking for blood or for any evidence that he'd hit her with the bullet. "For my own peace of mind, I wanted to go back and check," he said. Despite a bit of trouble sleeping in the nights since the encounter, images of the attacking bear on a continuous reel in his mind, Mr. Lorenz has been back to the hills looking for more footage of grizzlies. He wants to add more clips to the DVD set he plans to release in the fall through his film company, Canadian Wildlife Productions. Mr. Lorenz said he always prays with his wife and two sons before heading out on his filmmaking missions, but is doing it a little more fervently now. "I really feel I've grown for this," he said, adding that this was the first time he was attacked by a grizzly. "In order to get experience, you have to experience it." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:24:18 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?McChrystal's_real_offense__?= Washington Examiner http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/mcchrystals-real-offense-96873364.html excerpt: McChrystal's real offense By: Byron York 06/22/10 8:40 AM EDT There is a lot of uproar about Gen. Stanley's McChrystal's disrespectful comments about his civilian bosses in the Obama administration, and President Obama would be entirely justified in firing McChrystal for statements McChrystal and his subordinates made to Rolling Stone. Obama is a deeply flawed commander-in-chief who doesn't want to be fighting a war on terror, but he is the commander-in-chief. He should have a general who will carry out his policies without public complaint until the voters can decide to change those policies. But the bigger problem with McChrystal's leadership has always been the general's devotion to unreasonably restrictive rules of engagement that are resulting in the unnecessary deaths of American and coalition forces. We have had many, many accounts of the rules endangering Americans, and the Rolling Stone article http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_r1109mcchrystal.html provides more evidence. In the story, a soldier at Combat Outpost JFM who had earlier met with McChrystal was killed in a house that American officers had asked permission to destroy. From the article: The night before the general is scheduled to visit Sgt. Arroyo's platoon for the memorial, I arrive at Combat Outpost JFM to speak with the soldiers he had gone on patrol with. JFM is a small encampment, ringed by high blast walls and guard towers. Almost all of the soldiers here have been on repeated combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and have seen some of the worst fighting of both wars. But they are especially angered by Ingram's death. His commanders had repeatedly requested permission to tear down the house where Ingram was killed, noting that it was often used as a combat position by the Taliban. But due to McChrystal's new restrictions to avoid upsetting civilians, the request had been denied. "These were abandoned houses," fumes Staff Sgt. Kennith Hicks. "Nobody was coming back to live in them." One soldier shows me the list of new regulations the platoon was given. "Patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourselves with lethal force," the laminated card reads. For a soldier who has traveled halfway around the world to fight, that's like telling a cop he should only patrol in areas where he knows he won't have to make arrests. "Does that make any f-king sense?" Pfc. Jared Pautsch. "We should just drop a f-king bomb on this place. You sit and ask yourself: What are we doing here?" excerpt comments: Is it possible that McChrystal has been trying to follow unreasonable Obama Admin. guidelines? That those are impossible would be a good reason for him to want to get out of the position he is in. Getting sacked in this case could be a tremendous relief. If McChrystal resigns he is walking out on his men. If he is fired for telling the truth about bad civilian leadership -- he is being forced to walk out on his men I once had a clueless boss. When all else failed, it was better to be fired than to put up with the lunacy. Unsurprisingly, my replacement was allowed to do everything that I was prohibited from doing. In a situation like this, the clueless boss gets rid of the "troublesome" subordinate, but always with the understanding that the replacement MUST be successful. This is usually achieved by giving the new guy everything the old guy asked for. McChrystal knows this. Deliberately getting fired is part of a logical strategy to deal with a clueless boss. Some lucky general will get this job, free of administrative handicaps. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/mcchrystals-real-offense-96873364.html#ixzz0rayjyrWZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:36:31 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: "... 70,000 rds of ammunition ..." Ross In the summary of handloading/ammunition regulations I have, it states: "There are currently no existing limitations on ammunition storage in relation to the amount that is permitted to be stored." It would just have to be stored in an "approved" magazine the "approved" non-stated "safe distance" from "living quarters and dwellings, streets and alleys ...." etc. So even if the detective's facts had been accurate, Big Brother says it is OK. It isn't hard to imagine an active shooting family engaged in several shooting sports could conceivably amass a pile of ammo, taking advantage of case lot buys in bulk. It isn't unheard of for small bore riflemen to buy 5,000 - 10,000 rds of target ammo in order to have a secure supply of a known product. I've known serious trap shooters that annually shot 10,000 rds of registered rounds in competition - let alone the practice rds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:25:12 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Tory crime bill to cost extra $618M per year Tory crime bill to cost extra $618M per year, report finds Jun 22 2010 Joanna Smith Ottawa Bureau http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/826778--tory-crime-bill-to-c ost-extra-618m-per-year-report-finds OTTAWA—A new law that limits the amount of time federal inmates can get for time served in custody before and during their trial will cost the federal government $618 million more per year, says a new report from Parliament’s budget watchdog. That does not include another $1.8 billion over five years to expand or build new prisons to house the roughly 3,754 more inmates that the change in legislation will bring to federal correctional institutions. The report from Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page released Tuesday morning examined the economic impact of Bill C-25, the Truth in Sentencing Act, which limits the amount of time judges may grant as credit for time served to one day for each day served, except in extraordinary circumstances, where the credit can reach as high as a day and a half. Liberal MP Mark Holland (Ajax—Pickering) asked Page to study the impact of the Conservative government’s law-and-order agenda last October, but Page decided to focus this report on just one bill due to the time and amount of data involved. “The costs are very significant,” Holland said Monday, who declined to reveal the figures before the report was released. Page said the Correctional Services Canada did not co-operate and so his study was unable to know what methodology the federal government used to estimate the financial impact of the legislation, which came into force Feb. 22. So instead he used the 2007/08 fiscal year as a baseline and a probabilistic model to estimate the increase in the number of prisoners and associated costs the new legislation would bring into federal correctional institutions, which houses inmates serving sentences of two or more years, and how much longer they would have to serve. Page also took into account construction costs to expand or build new prisons to meet the higher demand, upkeep and the money required to replace those new prisons once they age beyond repair. Page found the new legislation would increase the average length of stay from 563 days in physical custody in 2007/08 to 722 days, which would bring the average headcount to 17,058 prisoners – with 9,021 in community supervision – per year. That is up from a 2007/08 average headcount of 13,304, with 7,036 in community supervision. Page found that would increase the annual cost of caring for those prisoners to $2.807 billion, up from $2.189 billion in 2007/08, an increase of $618 million per year. A spokesman for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews defended the high price tag as necessary, citing a 2003 estimate from the federal justice department that put the cost of crime at $70 billion annually. “It does cost money to deal with serious criminals. But failing to do so costs so much more, and not just in dollars,” Chris McCluskey wrote in an email Monday. “Our government will continue to put the rights of victims ahead of the rights of criminals.” Toews will react to the report at noon Tuesday. Comment: Diana1976 Shall we be more like the U.S.? "Compared with other countries, the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population." "Overall the total crime rate of the United States is similar to that of other highly developed countries. Some types of reported property crime in the U.S. survey as lower than in Germany or Canada, yet the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher." > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:03:08 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Recent political polls in Canada Harris-Decima poll; June 10-20, 2010 > http://www.harrisdecima.ca/news/releases/201006/838-conservatives-hold-seven-point-lead-liberals CPC – 34% Lib – 27 NDP – 17 Blc - 11 Grn – 10 ECOS poll; June 9-15, 2010 > http://www.scribd.com/doc/33170147/EKOS-poll-June-17 CPC – 30.5% Lib – 26.3 NDP – 17.4 Grn – 12.3 Blc – 10.5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:33:45 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Cop kills dog while giving family death notification Our friend Siggy Freud would would have a field day with this event. Talk about a 'Freudian' slip! [Vicious beasts; what'd be the result if it was a kid from next door, a postie making his/her rounds or a bailiff at the door? Good thing the Toon cop was a better shot at moving targets than the London cop who blew 19-shots past a 'man-sized' target]. Cop kills dog while giving family death notification By QMI Agency > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/06/22/14474246.html A Saskatoon police officer sent to a home to give a next-of-kin death notification Saturday is under review after he shot and killed a dog on the property. A resident left a door open while the officer spoke to family members and several dogs went into the yard, Saskatoon police said in a release. The dogs were barking and growling at the officer. One of the dogs then attacked him, police said. For his personal safety, the officer fired a shot and killed one of the dogs, police said. The officer received minor injuries. The name of the officer involved and the location of the shooting aren't being released. The circumstances of the shooting are being reviewed, police said. Victim services officials are providing assistance to the family. [If the dogs were not all licensed, the owners should have the book thrown at 'em. And, what about the cop; he probably needs treatment for (PTSD) Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after staring down this snarling pack]. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:33:15 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: "... 70,000 rds of ammunition ..." I attended a gun show in Toronto a few years ago, when I was a pretty active competitive shooter. One guy had 6800 rounds of Eley Pistol 22LR (in the light blue box). I bought every round from him and fired every round through my High Standard model 102 Supermatic Trophy, with 10" barrel. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:37:35 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: Cop kills dog while giving family death notification I used to work for Canada Post. I was a letter carrier, briefly, and I delivered parcel post for quite a while. It's a laugh later, when talking about dogs, but it is no joke when some big nasty dog comes after you. I had a few chase me. I had addresses listed on my clipboard that I would not deliver to again. I would have loved to have a .357 with me at those times. I can sympathize with a police officer encountering a nasty dog. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:33:45 -0400 > From: leejasper@amtelecom.net > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Cop kills dog while giving family death notification > > Our friend Siggy Freud would would have a field day with this event. > Talk about a 'Freudian' slip! > > [Vicious beasts; what'd be the result if it was a kid from next door, a > postie making his/her rounds or a bailiff at the door? Good thing the > Toon cop was a better shot at moving targets than the London cop who > blew 19-shots past a 'man-sized' target]. > > Cop kills dog while giving family death notification > > By QMI Agency > > > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/06/22/14474246.html > [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:38:15 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: A grizzly bear, a .44 magnum and a brush with death "Most importantly, he'd packed his .44 magnum stainless steel handgun, a safe companion he'd toted on many of his excursions since his mother asked him to get one 10 years ago." A firearms license and carry permit become irrelevant under such circumstances. Obviously Mr. Lorenz didn't shoot his wife, his neighbor or the clerk at the convenience store during those ten years. It is possible though unlikely that Mr. Lorenz had a carry permit, since wilderness permit requests are routinely denied in BC as in the rest of Canada. It is outrageous that anyone should have to break the law in order to protect their life. The young female singer killed in Cape Breton last year would still be performing if she had carried a small .38. Funny, the Polytechnique crowd didn't blame the coyote (muzzle all wild critters). The conclusion of the story? Obey the law and die. Break the law and live. The moral of the story? Change the law and live. Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:52:23 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Concerning the return of our suppressed individual property rights? Cc: All SK MLAs Folks, June 22, 2010 Today I received the following information concerning the return of our suppressed individual property rights from Don Morgan, Minister of Justice and Attoney General for Saskatchewan. Below is a typed copy of Mr. Morgan's original letter to me which I will share with you. If you get a chance remind your Sask Party MLA and/or Premier Brad Wall, that you want your individual right to own property, one of the oldest and most fundamental rights in British-Canadian legal history, returned to you. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- June 15, 2010 Joe Gingrich P. O. Boc 2409 NIPAWIN SK S0E 1E0 Dear Mr. Gingrich: Thank you for your email dated May 4, 2010, calling for the inclusion of property rights in The Saskatchewan Human Rights Code. I have instructed my officials to review the legal implications relating to this proposal, particularly the example of the property provisions in the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. They will also review the provision protecting property in the Canadian Bill of Rights, implemented by Prime Minister Diefenbaker. Thank you for sharing your views on these issues with me. Yours sincerely, Don Morgan, Q.C. Minister of Justice and Attorney General - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Your in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, June 22, 2010 10:56 pm From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Chimps, Too, Wage War and Annex Rival Territory- New York Times Chimps, Too, Wage War and Annex Rival Territory http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/science/22chimp.html?emc=tnt&tntemail0=y Image & Caption AGGRESSION: "A young male chimp in Uganda’s Kibale National Park leaps on the body of a victim killed in an attack" - - John Mitani . By NICHOLAS WADE Published: June 21, 2010 Every day, John Mitani or a colleague is up at sunrise to check on the action among the chimpanzees at Ngogo, in Uganda’s Kibale National Park. Most days the male chimps behave a lot like frat boys, making a lot of noise or beating each other up. But once every 10 to 14 days, they do something more adult and cooperative: they wage war. A band of males, up to 20 or so, will assemble in single file and move to the edge of their territory. They fall into unusual silence as they penetrate deep into the area controlled by the neighboring group. They tensely scan the treetops and startle at every noise. “It’s quite clear that they are looking for individuals of the other community,” Dr. Mitani says. When the enemy is encountered, the patrol’s reaction depends on its assessment of the opposing force. If they seem to be outnumbered, members of the patrol will break file and bolt back to home territory. But if a single chimp has wandered into their path, they will attack. Enemy males will be held down, then bitten and battered to death. Females are usually let go, but their babies will be eaten. These killings have a purpose, but one that did not emerge until after Ngogo chimps’ patrols had been tracked and cataloged for 10 years. The Ngogo group has about 150 chimps and is particularly large, about three times the usual size. And its size makes it unusually aggressive. Its males directed most of their patrols against a chimp group that lived in a region to the northeast of their territory. Last year, the Ngogo chimps stopped patrolling the region and annexed it outright, increasing their home territory by 22 percent, Dr. Mitani said in a report being published Tuesday in Current Biology with his colleagues David P. Watts of Yale University and Sylvia J. Amsler of the University of Arkansas at Little Rock. Dr. Mitani is at the University of Michigan. The objective of the 10-year campaign was clearly to capture territory, the researchers concluded. The Ngogo males could control more fruit trees, their females would have more to eat and so would reproduce faster, and the group would grow larger, stronger and more likely to survive. The chimps’ waging of war is thus “adaptive,” Dr. Mitani and his colleagues concluded, meaning that natural selection has wired the behavior into the chimps’ neural circuitry because it promotes their survival. Chimpanzee warfare is of particular interest because of the possibility that both humans and chimps inherited an instinct for aggressive territoriality from their joint ancestor who lived some five million years ago. Only two previous cases of chimp warfare have been recorded, neither as clear-cut as the Ngogo case. In one, a chimp community first observed by Jane Goodall in Tanzania’s Gombe National Park split into two and one group then wiped out the other. But the chimps had been fed bananas, to enable them to be observed, and some primatologists blamed the war on this human intervention. In a second case, in the Mahale Mountains National Park of Tanzania, Toshisada Nishida of Kyoto University noticed that a chimp group had disappeared, presumably killed by its neighbors, but he was not able to witness the killings or find the bodies. Dr. Mitani’s team has now put a full picture together by following chimps on their patrols, witnessing 18 fatal attacks over 10 years and establishing that the warfare led to annexation of a neighbor’s territory. The benefits of chimp warfare are clear enough, at least from the perspective of human observers. Through decades of careful work, primatologists have documented the links in a long causal chain, proving for instance that females with access to more fruit trees will bear children faster. But can the chimps themselves foresee the outcome of their behavior? Do they calculate that if they pick off their neighbors one by one, they will eventually be able to annex their territory, which will raise their females’ fertility and the power of their group? “I find that a difficult argument to sustain because the logical chain seems too deep,” says Richard Wrangham, a chimp expert at Harvard. A simpler explanation is that the chimps are just innately aggressive toward their neighbors, and that natural selection has shaped them this way because of the survival advantage that will accrue to the winner. Warfare among human groups that still live by hunting and gathering resembles chimp warfare in several ways. Foragers emphasize raids and ambushes in which few people are killed, yet casualties can mount up with incessant skirmishes. Dr. Wrangham argues that chimps and humans have both inherited a propensity for aggressive territoriality from a chimp-like ancestor. Others argue the chimps’ peaceful cousin, the bonobo, is just as plausible a model for the joint ancestor. Dr. Wrangham’s view is that since gorillas and chimps are so similar, their joint ancestor, which lived some seven million years ago, would have been chimp-like and therefore so would the joint ancestor of chimps and humans when they parted ways two million years later. “So I think it’s very reasonable to think this behavior goes back a long way,” he said, referring to the propensity to wage war against one’s own species. Dr. Mitani, however, is reluctant to infer any genetic link between human and chimp warfare, despite the similarity of purpose, cost and tactics. “It’s just not at all clear to me that these lethal raids are similar sorts of phenomena,” he said. More interesting than warfare, in his view, is the cooperative behavior that makes war possible. Why do chimps incur the risk and time costs of patrolling into enemy territory when the advantage accrues most evidently to the group? Dr. Mitani invokes the idea of group-level selection — the idea that natural selection can work on groups and favor behaviors, like altruism and cooperation, that benefit the group at the expense of the individual. Selection usually depends only on whether an individual, not a group, leaves more surviving children. Many biologists are skeptical of group-level selection, saying it could be effective only in cases where there is intense warfare between groups, a reduced rate of selection on individuals, and little interchange of genes between groups. Chimp warfare may be constant and ferocious, fulfilling the first condition, but young females emigrate to neighboring groups to avoid inbreeding. This constant flow of genes would severely weaken any group selective process, Dr. Wrangham said. Samuel Bowles, an economist at the Santa Fe Institute who has worked out theoretical models of group selection, said the case for it “is pretty strong for humans” but remains an open question in chimpanzees. Chimp watching is an arduous task since researchers must first get the chimpanzees used to their presence, but without inducements like bananas, which could interfere with their natural behavior. Chimpanzees are immensely powerful, and since they can tear each other apart, they could also make short work of any researcher who incurred their animosity. “Luckily for us, they haven’t figured out that they are stronger than us,” Dr. Mitani said, explaining that there was no danger in tagging along behind a file of chimps on the warpath. “What’s curious is that after we do gain their trust, we sort of blend into the background and they pretty much ignore us.” A version of this article appeared in print on June 22, 2010, on page D1 of the New York edition. 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