From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #532 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, May 30 2007 Volume 10 : Number 532 In this issue: Copy of Letter to the Editor CBC News Re: Report on John Rew Fw: Ban on pellet guns would increase safety,Times Colonist Column: Metal detectors in schools Letter to Star (just sent) ... Re: Report on John Rew [none] [EDITORIAL] Stacking the deck against gun control Re: Copy of Letter to the Editor CBC News Fwd: Mayor Miller's let's ban all guns . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:30:26 -0300 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Copy of Letter to the Editor CBC News Mayor Miller is quoted as saying, "We have to, I think, make a statement in Canada that handguns are not acceptable anymore." I say we the lawful citizens of Canada have to make a statement that useless and misdirected sacred-cow bans on legally held and used firearms owned by people whom have never been nor ever will be "the Problem" are not acceptable any more. Equally unacceptable are those useless ideologically driven and bigoted politicians who would rather self-aggrandize and dance in the blood of crime victims as they push their intolerant straw man laws on an undeserving cultural minority. The dysfunctional social situation that leads to crimes of this nature is very much the result of the illegal status of drugs. This ban does what all bans do: it fuels a massive crime industry on both sides of the law. The politicians responsible knew this going in. If you doubt this ask yourself how many competing liquor stores engage in armed gang fights over turf now as compared to Al Capone's day. These people are worse than useless. They are "the Problem". - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:33:50 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Report on John Rew - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Hudson" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Report on John Rew > On 2007 May 28, at 3:13 PM, mred wrote: > >> Hmmmm where is Day in all this police abuse and brutality ? > > Very good question. > > That query was posited several times in the discussion about Mr. Rew > last weekend. > > From what I saw on the RCMP documents of the case, > Mr. Rew was no more of a threat to Canadian society than you or Rick > Lowe. > > His "crime" - if indeed there be one - is strictly a paper violation. > > If the Conservatives repealed the Firearms Act and the crime would > disappear. > > Mr. Rew's neighbors would not know the difference. > > Sincerely, > > Eduardo > IF? thats a mighty big word. I am NOT holding my breath for the CPC to do much of anything about the gun registry and the police abuses so rampant in Canada today. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:41:54 -0300 From: jim hill Subject: Fw: Ban on pellet guns would increase safety,Times Colonist Sent to the Times Colonist today JJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hill" To: "The Editor Times-Colonist" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Ban on pellet guns would increase safety,Times Colonist ,May 28, 2007 > To the editor, > > Neil Gregory, in his recent letter suggests that we,"Ban these cruel and > senseless weapons. They serve no worthy purpose" > > Perhaps he is unaware that Air rifles and pistols have been used in > Olympic Sports for many years. Just because he does not like them is no > cause to have them banned. > > Both my brother and I were on a competitive shooting team for many years > while in the Air Cadets. We used old 303's with .22 barrels on them when > we were on the range, however off the range we had .177 cal pellet rifles > which we used in our basement with a target holder and pellet trap to hone > our skills. > >We never lost a competition during the four years we were on the team. > > The problem is not with the pellet guns but rather the parents who are > unwilling to properly supervise their children's activities. > > I went on to become a member of the RCMP and carried a firearm for over > 26 years yet my early experience with a pellet gun did not lead me out to > shoot anyone. If you want your kids to abuse something then deny them. > Otherwise, take a proper role and teach your children the proper use. > > If you don't they will let television or the children of irresponsible > parents be their role models and we can see how that has been working over > the last number of years when neither parent seems to have the time to > devote to actually raising their children due to too much time spent > trying to obtain a bigger house, a nicer car, boat etc. > > The "initiation process" Mr. Gregory refers to is as a result of this and > not the fact that pellet guns are available. > > We can carry his argument to just about any useless item, Pools for > example which claim far more children's lives than firearms, Cars - take > the bus - go green. But he will not agree with any of these for he will > say he needs a car etc., and this would interfere with his activities > rather than those of his neighbours. > > Jim Hill (RCMP,ret.) remainder of address removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:10:19 -0400 From: "Dennis Young" Subject: Column: Metal detectors in schools Metal detectors in schools By Arthur Weinreb, Monday, May 28, 2007 http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/weinreb052807.htm In the aftermath of the death of 15-year-old Jordan Manners, who was shot to death in C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute in Toronto last Wednesday, there has been a lot of discussion about how to make schools safer. One of the suggestions, albeit not a serious one, is to require students and others entering schools to pass through metal detectors. Most prominent in these discussions are the reasons why metal detectors should not be placed in the country's schools. It is by examining these arguments that it can be seen that the idea of metal detectors may not be such a bad idea after all. The very thought of these poor students, including the potential killers among them, having to pass through a metal detector before they can be taught the 3 Rs (racism, recycling and reproduction) goes against the core beliefs of the hug-a-thug crowd that are currently running our schools. Their main priority is to add more of the same; more social workers, more grief councillors, more of the current thinking that has led to the deterioration of schools in the first place. Donna Quan, the safe schools superintendent for the Toronto District School Board, was quoted as saying that C.W. Jefferys plans to add an extra vice-principal, another hall monitor and two more youth workers. What possible good will that do in preventing another shooting? Adding a new vice-principal is bound to be an effective deterrent to violent crime including murder but only if he or she is armed. It is amazing how those who justify Canada's multi-billion dollar gun registry on the theory that "if it only saves one life" are firmly against metal detectors that would have prevented the shooter from entering the high school with a gun. The saving of this one hypothetical life doesn't seem that important when it comes to metal detectors or anything else that doesn't fit a particular political agenda. Another argument against metal detectors is that it is bad optics. It will develop a so-called "fortress mentality" and have a negative effect on the students. But people, especially young people are resilient; they'll get used to going through these detectors and if it does perchance have a negative effect on some students, well, the schools can always bring in the social workers and the grief councillors. Somehow the negative effect of having to walk through a detector every day is thought to be worse than seeing a fellow student get blown away down the hall. So we will just close our eyes, hug a few more thugs, and pretend that what happened to Jordan Manners will never happen again. There are people who work in high security places that are required to walk through metal detectors every day; the students will just have to get used to it and they will. There's one argument against placing metal detectors in schools that seems to make a lot of sense. Metal detectors can't be put everywhere. While a student or anyone else can be prevented from bringing a gun into a school, they can carry them elsewhere. If the shooter who killed Jordan wanted to shoot him but couldn't get his gun into the school, he could have shot him on the street or at the mall or any number of places. While this is a logical argument against putting metal detectors in schools it is also an excellent reason why detectors should be implemented. The killing of the 15-year-old was obviously a horrendous tragedy for his family and friends. They wouldn't have felt any better if Jordan had been murdered somewhere else. But it should make a difference for the rest of us. And it has. A young person having his life snuffed out while going to school is not the same as being killed on the street or at a mall. Jordan Manners was deliberately targeted; this was not what is becoming a "typical school shooting" such as Dawson College in Montreal or Virginia Tech where someone tries to take out as many people as possible. But unlike the murder of other young black men in Toronto that are getting to be merely routine incidents, the news of Jordan Manners' murder went around the world. Schools are different than the street or the mall. If parents can expect nothing else from society or their schools, and they probably can't, they should at least be able to send their children to school knowing that they will not be shot to death in a place where some of them, like Jordan, are trying to learn. It's the least we as a society can do. It will never happen of course. There will be no metal detectors in schools anytime soon. There will be more social workers and more crying over the killer and how society failed him. And it will only be a matter of time before there is another shooting in school. At least the grief councillors will be there. Arthur Weinreb is an author, columnist and Associate Editor of Canada Free Press. His work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Men's News Daily, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, Glenn Beck and The Rant. Arthur can be reached at: aweinreb@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 00:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Star (just sent) ... Make-up of advisory group suggests Tories out of step with urban attitude on weapons (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Susan Delacourt reports that the Tory firearm advisory panel is made up of "gun buffs", when in fact it is made up of professionals, academics and those who are intimately aware of, and affected by firearms laws in Canada. Oddly enough, there were no criminals on the panel to reflect the "urban attitude on weapons", as it seems that that was the implication that Delacourt was making. When the Liberals introduced the failed Canadian Firearms Act with its useless registry and draconian transgressions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms for law abiding firearm owners, they failed not only to pass effective legislation, but they also failed to obtain the consent of the governed. While Delacourt seems to suggest that only urban lefties who neither understand firearm law nor like the idea of any firearms should be allowed to have an opinion on whether Candians be allowed to own them, but I'd suggest that an enducated and balanced view is more desirable, and called for. Responsible firearm ownership in Canada is not a "questionable activity", far from it, and Delacourt would do well to differentiate between the responsible ownership of firearms and the criminal ownership that seems to define the "urban attitude on weapons". More and more of late, Ontario politicians and pundits alike just can't seem to differentiate between law abiding target shooters, and the fatherless, drug addled, cold blooded teenaged gang bangers run amok, but believe me, there is a big difference. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:16:15 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Report on John Rew - ----- Original Message ----- From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Report on John Rew > At 05:13 PM 5/28/2007 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Hmmmm where is Day in all this police abuse and brutality and his >>so-called >>amnesty ? >>ed/ontario > > Mr. Rew was in possession of a legaly purchased and possessed firearm that > became prohibited by the change in the law. > The Amnesty does not cover Mr. Rew. So what your saying is that they made the law retroactive ? even though he had originally legally purchased it ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:11:30 +1200 From: DavidM Subject: [none] ARMY TOOK MY VC FOR £500 Hero Gurkha's medal 'removed for safe-keeping' Exclusive by Graham Brough and Oonagh Blackman 28/05/2007 THE Victoria Cross hero fighting for his right to live in Britain had his medal taken from him for peanuts - by the Army. The plight of ailing Tul Bahadur Pun, 84 - barred from the UK because he "failed to demonstrate strong ties" - has sparked outrage. But it is just the latest slap in the face for the Gurkha by the country he served with an "exemplary" record for 18 years. In 1974 Pun was ordered to hand over his VC for just 40,000 Indian Rupees - about £500 today - by the British Army which said it was taking it for safe-keeping. A Victoria Cross was sold last year for half a million pounds. But Pun, who has heart problems, diabetes and failing hearing and sight, lives in near poverty in a ramshackle hut. He has to travel for a day to collect his £132 a month army pension. The father-of-five said he received a letter in March 1974 from the 6th Gurkha Rifles saying an officer would visit him at home in Nepal. Pun said: "He informed me the medal was too valuable to be in my possession and the Army would be withholding it for safekeeping. Some time later I received 40,000 Indian Rupees as part payment. My Victoria Cross was taken to the Regimental HQ in Hong Kong. It was kept there for a number of years." Pun was awarded 11 medals including the VC which he won by charging Japanese machine gunners single-handedly in Burma in 1944. He has even paid UK income tax when he served tours of duty here. Now he wants to live the rest of his life in Britain so he contact old comrades and receive health care - but he was refused a visa. The treatment of Pun has triggered a wave of protest. Lib Dem defence spokesman Nick Harvey, who has campaigned for Gurkha rights, said: "There is no higher accolade than being awarded a VC and there cannot be a greater tie to this country. "We owe Mr Pun an enormous debt we have a duty to repay. It's wrong to deny a war hero citizenship." Last night senior government sources backtracked and said there was "scope" for Pun to be allowed to live here because he had once done so and paid tax. But the decision has to be made by a judge. The Ministry of Defence said: "The VC is displayed in the Gurkha Museum in Winchester. It was purchased from him in 1974 for market value." - ----------------------------- The Musuem if you want to have a word: http://www.thegurkhamuseum.co.uk/ A Wiki article on the man including his citation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulbahadur_Pun If you're a British citizen you can also sign an on-line petition. But it's not just the medal but the way his immigration attempts have been treated, from the TimesOnline http://tinyurl.com/2x3hvd "Here's a quiz. Not a very good quiz because you will know the answer before you've finished reading the question. Whether you can comprehend it is another matter. An awful lot of immigrants are allowed into Britain these days and very few deported because they are undesirable. However, as a nation we must draw the line somewhere. So, using your understanding of How Britain Is, estimate which of the following four aspirant British citizens has been told to get out and stay out. And which three can stay? 1) Mouloud Sihali, Algerian. Lived at Finsbury Park mosque, breeding ground of Islamic terrorism. Described in court as unprincipled and dishonest. Illegal immigrant. 2) Yonis Dirie, Somalian. Drug addict, armed robber and burglar. Convicted of raping a young woman in London. Illegal immigrant. 3) Tul Bahadur Pun VC, Nepalese. Won the Victoria Cross for taking out a Japanese machinegun post in 1944 in Burma single-handedly. Now 84, of unblemished conduct, suffering from heart problems and diabetes and would like treatment here. Legal applicant. 4) A.N.Other, Libyan. Islamic extremist involved with Milan terrorist group. Court accepts that he is likely to try to kill us all again quite soon. Illegal immigrant. You got it, didn't you? Old Pun's application was rejected because - and here's the punchline, he "failed to demonstrate that he had strong ties with Britain." - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [EDITORIAL] Stacking the deck against gun control http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1180413480340&call_pageid=1024322168441&col=1024322320546 Stacking the deck against gun control (May 29, 2007) Stephen Harper's Conservatives have the right to seek advice from whomever they want, but they would be wise to seek broader counsel on a subject such as the long-gun registry. If they did this, they would find that many, many Canadians want the registry to be more efficient and less expensive but support the principle of a government-operated gun registry. In fact, many Canadians think public servants such as police officers should have access to a list of people who own guns. That can be done only by the establishment of some form of registry. Certainly, police organizations think a gun registry is a good idea. A story in yesterday's Record, however, casts doubt on how broadly the Conservatives are looking for advice. The story revealed that the government's firearms advisory committee is made up almost entirely of staunch, pro-gun advocates who have opposed the registry. Canadians may be particularly interested in the opinion of one panel member. Dr. Mike Ackermann, a Nova Scotia physician, offered a revealing comment in a letter to the Ottawa Sun about the shootings at Virginia Tech: "If even one per cent of the students and staff at Virginia Tech had been allowed to exercise their right to self-defence, then this tragedy would have been stopped in its very beginning and dozens of lives would have been saved." Good grief! Is Ackermann suggesting that we should be armed all of the time in order to be prepared to deal with a person who has gone berserk? Let's be clear: A gun registry does not mean that guns won't get into criminal hands and it won't prevent criminals from acquiring guns on the black market. What it does mean is that police have a better chance of knowing where a potential gun problem may exist. The critics of gun control focus almost entirely on the long-gun registry introduced by the former Liberal government, but they seem to ignore the fact that Canadians have been registering handguns since the 1930s. The handgun registry is just accepted as reasonable and routine; why isn't the long-gun registry regarded the same way? Interestingly, the Conservatives seem willing to curry favour with owners of long guns who don't want to register their weapons. Earlier this year, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day extended a long-gun amnesty program to allow owners of firearms more time to register their weapons. Apparently, the Conservatives lack the courage to test their views in a parliamentary vote, but they don't mind mocking the law. This is unacceptable -- and a broadly based committee would likely tell them that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:24:04 -0500 From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Copy of Letter to the Editor CBC News At 08:30 PM 5/28/2007 -0300, you wrote: > > >Mayor Miller is quoted as saying, "We have to, I think, make a statement >in Canada that handguns are not acceptable anymore." > >I say we the lawful citizens of Canada have to make a statement that >useless and misdirected sacred-cow bans on legally held and used >firearms owned by people whom have never been nor ever will be "the >Problem" are not acceptable any more. > >Equally unacceptable are those useless ideologically driven and bigoted >politicians who would rather self-aggrandize and dance in the blood of >crime victims as they push their intolerant straw man laws on an >undeserving cultural minority. > >The dysfunctional social situation that leads to crimes of this nature >is very much the result of the illegal status of drugs. This ban does >what all bans do: it fuels a massive crime industry on both sides of the >law. The politicians responsible knew this going in. If you doubt this >ask yourself how many competing liquor stores engage in armed gang >fights over turf now as compared to Al Capone's day. > >These people are worse than useless. They are "the Problem". > >-- >M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) >"Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". Mike are you saying that illicit drugs should be legalized and the politicians making the laws are part of the problem? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:28:33 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Fwd: Mayor Miller's let's ban all guns . . Begin forwarded message: > From: Len Miller > Date: May 29, 2007 10:27:14 PDT > To: Mark Bonokoski > Subject: Mayor Miller's let's ban all guns . . > > Tuesday's Vancouver Sun, Marilyn Baker item : First, let's ban all > the dogs > has introduced the bite we need on gun control. > Mayor Miller of Toronto proposes a total gun ban . . > > Good point Marilyn . . > > Dogs crap in schoolyards: Michael Potts pres CUPE local 407. > (Vancouver) > gun owners don't take their guns through school yards . . > and if they did . . look for the ( well, you know ) you won't find any > . . > > When a dog owner was chided for letting his dog run loose in a school > yard, > he responded '' It's a cat''. ( response it ain't funny McGee . .) > Gun owners never call their guns . . knives . . > > Baker continues: there are 460,000 dog bites .. and > one estimate has it: there are 4.7 million dog attacks annually. > > Yet the 'dog police' have yet to attack dog owners, with stun grenades > and physically restrain the owner with handcuffs. > Neither do they, during a 'high risk take-down' seize dog pictures or > dog leashes such as the 'gun police' do. > NWEST was brought in to deal with criminals . . not expired gun > licences, > or the finding of a stolen registered gun . . Tac Team response . . > no one keeps track of expired dog licences . . > > Baker: Canada does not keep statistics on dog bites . . while the US > does . . > > The most dangerous, continues Baker, are PIT BULLS ( # ) and > rottweilers. > These are attack dogs. > > Not one firearm has ever attacked anyone . . > As a friend once said: '' there must be something wrong with MY guns > they haven't attacked anyone'' . . > > Baker concludes: ''people need to fight back'' . . > Thanks to the Vancouver Sun for the Marilyn Baker > item . . it's a wake up call . . > > Gun control was brought in on a lie. > It targets the innocent, the not guilty. > Judges have never punished the use . . . never . . . > It kills people while not 'saving one life'. > It is a $2.5 billion and counting . . . disaster. > Registration of handguns has been with us > since 1934, yet the criminal use * has been with handguns. > A handgun has always been the criminal weapon of choice. > If the politicians were serious, 'they' would make the criminal use > punishment so severe, that criminals would resort to knives . . > baseball bats, cars, boots . . anything but guns . . > > How anyone could think, by adding licencing to it's deception > would suddenly, make the community safer? > > And. as such, it should fail . . > C-68 and its deceptive offshoots must receive a quick and decent > burial. > > Not with this bunch, doggedly hanging on to a false lead. > Mind the poop . . > > Len Miller > Vancouver > where gun control didn't stop the shooting* on Commercial Drive . . > And a good evening to Ron Charach, (#) who has yet to try > the loaded gun vs pit bull test . . > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #532 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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