From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #469 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, May 5 2007 Volume 10 : Number 469 In this issue: Officer out on bail surrenders gun My letter to the New Glasgow News My letter to the Globe and Mail [COLUMN] Gun control in the U.S. means no control Violent Hispanic gang spreading in Canada [none] [UK] 'Hoodie' jailed for killing father who stood up to him [US][COLUMN] Why Economists Tend to Oppose Gun Control Laws ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:09:32 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Officer out on bail surrenders gun PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2007.05.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local PAGE: A8 BYLINE: Paul Legall SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator WORD COUNT: 194 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Officer out on bail surrenders gun - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- A veteran Toronto cop accused of assaulting and threatening family members has been ordered to surrender his service handgun as part of his bail conditions. The officer, who has been with the service for 28 years, was released on bail yesterday. He returns to court May 25. Hamilton police had charged him with two counts of assault with a weapon and one count of threatening after a domestic incident at his Hamilton home Wednesday. He has been ordered to live with his sister in Hamilton who pledged $3,000 to secure his release and who will act as his surety to make sure he abides by the bail conditions. "The victim in this matter reported the involved suspect is a police officer with the Toronto Police Service. The allegations are the victim and her adult son were assaulted and threatened," Hamilton media relations officer Sgt. Mike Webber wrote in a press release yesterday. "Both victims were interviewed by Hamilton police and the suspect was arrested without incident ...," Webber added. In addition to the bail conditions, Justice of the Peace Vince Formosi ordered him not to have contact with his wife and son. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the New Glasgow News Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - --- Bruce Mills wrote: > Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:24:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Re: Red tape forcing hunter to acquire > unwanted licence > To: aelliott@ngnews.ca > > To the Editor: > > It woudld appear that RCMP Sgt. Martin Blais doesn't > quite comprehend what the Firearms Act actually > says: > there is a distinct difference between "acquire" and > "lend", as defined in that law. While both are > forms > of "possession", the former involves the transfer of > ownership into the recipient's name; the latter does > not. One may borrow or lend any number of any kind > of > firearms with a Possession Only License, as long as > the registration certificate for that gun ends up in > the hands of whoever recieves it. In fact, there is > no time limit on how long one can borrow or lend a > gun > - that is up to the individuals involved in the > agreement. > > This new developement sounds more like a "policy" > decision, rather than a legal judgement based on > fact. > Unfortunately, it will probably take an appeal to a > judge to make the RCMP see the error of their ways. > > This is just another example of how convoluted and > draconian the Firearms Act is, and how the > government > twists the law in order to harass and persecute law > abiding citizens. It must be repealed, in its > entirety - completely, utterly and irrevocably. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Globe and Mail Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - --- Bruce Mills wrote: > Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:51:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Re: SWISS MISS GUN POLICY'S TRAGIC BLOWBACK > > To: letters@GlobeAndMail.ca > > Focus writer Phillip Jackman makes the usual flawed > anti-gun leap between firearms ownership and > suicide. > He attemtps to use statistics to bolster his > argument, > but these fall flat. First, he doesn't provide > information on how many suicides involve firearms. > Then he doesn't make the comparison between US, > Swiss, > and Japanese suicide rates, which are 10.45%, 19.1%, > and 24.1%, (per 100,000 in 2000) respectively. But > Japan is a country almost devoid of guns in the > hands > of civillians. If guns are the reason for more > suicides, why is their suicide rate much higher than > the Swiss? Why is the rate in the US so much lower? > > Trying to make such simplistic conclusions on a > complex problem winds up being nothing more than > propaganda. As a reputable newspaper, you have a > duty > to your readers to refrain from publishing such > misleading information. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [COLUMN] Gun control in the U.S. means no control http://www.nugget.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=516002&catname=Editorial&classif= http://www.nugget.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=516002&catname=Editorial&classif= Gun control in the U.S. means no control Foster, Jim Editorial - Saturday, May 05, 2007 @ 08:00 I'm not really a fanatic on gun legislation one way or the other. I know there are good gun owners out there who rarely shoot their neighbours unless it is absolutely necessary. I suppose the guy next door not picking up Rover's dog pooh would be one of those justifications. I also know that some people have arsenals in their basement that rival the military might of small countries and at least half of them are not sane enough to handle a knife and fork without supervision. But as bad as the illegal firearms situation is here in Canada, it is nothing compared to the problems faced by our friends to the south with legal guns. It is not only the right of every American to arm himself or herself to the teeth, in the minds of many folks down there they have to. The rest of the world is out to get them. Because of the peculiarities of their foreign policy, they may not be far wrong. It may be coincidental but the most relaxed gun laws in a country crawling with guns is Virginia. Although there is some control, I heard this morning a citizen of Virginia is only allowed to buy one gun a month. That must be comforting, unless of course you live next door and own a dog. There were all kinds of interviews and call-in shows on the radio in the hours after the Virginia Tech tragedy. For the most part the callers just expressed the horror they felt when they heard the news. As I expected, however, for every half dozen sensible folks who called in, the inevitable malcontents and whack jobs took the opportunity to enlighten us with their peculiar slant on that situation and a few others. It is amazing that some people believe an open mike is a sign from above to ramble on as if they are in their right minds, which of course they aren't and I suspect never have been. One old dolly warned us that Stephen Harper was setting us up to be annexed by the United States. I'm not a great fan of Stephen, but I don't think even he's that loony. On the other hand, he is from Alberta. How the old dear got from a shooting in Blacksburg to Canada becoming another star on the American flag was a little confusing. I suspect a major mix-up in her medication may have been involved or she's been washing her incontinence pills down with vodka. But the logic of one caller from Ottawa left me bewildered - even more than usual. I believe the man might be here in 2007 courtesy of a time warp. I think he originally was a marshal in Tombstone, Ariz., in the 1860s. Somehow he ended up in the Nation's Capital (ours not theirs). He is a registered handgun owner and a self-confessed expert marksman as are his kids. But then he gave us his particular take on a decision by the administration of Virginia Tech to ban guns on the campus a few weeks before. It is his view that had a number of students been armed that morning and in the classrooms, the extent of the tragedy would have been lessened considerable. They would have gunned the man down. I assume in a shoot-out that would make the Gunfight at the OK Corral look like the three-legged race at a Sunday school picnic. I have said many times that I like Americans, but our southern cousins are not exactly the sanest people on Earth armed or unarmed. After all they elected George W. Bush not once, but twice. That is not a sign of mental stability. You may not have noticed but Americans have a slight tendency to overact to any tragic situation. Attacking Iraq after 9-11 being a prime example, since the Iraqis had nothing to do with it. Although I guess they do talk funny and have oil. That may be reason enough. Can you imagine how a classroom of students packing six-guns would have handled the situation that dreadful morning? Once the word got out the shooter was South Korean, everyone born west of San Francisco had better be leaving on the dead run. Even that fine Shakespearean actor, Jackie Chan, would be in danger, although I've seen some of his movies and that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Jim Foster is an Orillia humour columnist writing for the Osprey News Network. He is also a gag writer for Playboy magazine and a contributing writer for Dave Broadfoot's TV specials. He can be contacted at; fosterjames@rogers.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Violent Hispanic gang spreading in Canada "Now, with MS-13 in Seattle, they've had murders, shootings, bank robberies. Every place they have arrived, there is an increase in violence and crime and I don't see any reason Vancouver would be different." And law-abiding gun owners are the problem, how? http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=eaf02ddd-9c7d-466a-87dc-35e43d4dd594&k=84535 Violent Hispanic gang spreading in Canada Global National, with files from CanWest News Service and National Post Their names sound as benign as any high school sports team, but their presence is increasingly deadly. Some of Canada's 100-plus identified street gangs have worked their way into the public realm through high-profile arrests, or their own bloody acts of aggression, such as Toronto's Galloway Boys, Malvern Crew, Ardwick Blood Crew and the Jamestown Crips. Others are known only on the streets and inside confidential police files. Perhaps the most alarming of all, however, is the growing presence of the 'Mara Salvatrucha,' a gang whose parent group in the United States was recently labelled by Newsweek magazine as "the most dangerous gang in North America." Better known as the MS-13, the gang was originally formed in Los Angeles by young men fleeing civil strife in El Salvador. The new immigrants were being terrorized by established street gangs and banded together, first for self-protection and later, recognizing their growing strength, as aggressors. While it was once exclusively Salvadoran in membership, MS-13 is now believed to have over 100,000 members of all nationalities worldwide, engaged in activities that include drug and human trafficking, illegal arms sales, murder-for-hire, and even assaults on law enforcement officials. And after years of growth, beyond the borders of its Los Angeles and Central American origins, the gang is now active in 33 U.S. states, several European nations - -- and Canadian cities, including Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, and to a lesser extent, Edmonton and Calgary. "They don't think they're bad; people KNOW they're bad," says a young member of MS-13's Toronto chapter who only wishes to be identified as "Six." Local Canadian police agencies are now fearing a surge in violence as MS-13 -- a gang known for beheading its victims -- starts clashing with rival street gangs. Det. Const. Russ Wardrop, with the Vancouver Police Department's criminal intelligence branch, is particularly troubled by the pattern of violence that has followed the gang in other parts of North America. "They are relatively new here but I use Seattle as an example because a lot of what takes place there doesn't take long to get here," he said. "When they started showing up in Seattle in the mid-1990s, they were very low profile. Now, with MS-13 in Seattle, they've had murders, shootings, bank robberies. Every place they have arrived, there is an increase in violence and crime and I don't see any reason Vancouver would be different. "It's only a matter of time before we start seeing that here -- conflicts with other groups." Wardrop said the first MS-13 member was arrested in Vancouver in 1997, but over the past four years, the number of MS-13 gang members identified by Vancouver police has increased and the number of drug houses raided has risen. Wes McBride of the California Gang Investigators Association says he is not surprised to hear the gang had infiltrated Canada. "The MS follow the labour market," McBride said. "If you have migrant workers of any sort, they will be there and it's easy for them to get into Canada, as it is here." McBride said it is not unusual in California to find gang-controlled homes with up to 20 recent arrivals living in them. MS-13 members are easily recognized by police because most are heavily tattooed on their upper bodies, including the arms and face, with MS-13 lettering done in Gothic style. A shaved head with a goatee beard is also popular. The Toronto chapter of MS-13 has a presence in the west side of the city's downtown region. It has remained true to its roots and is comprised almost exclusively of young men of Latin American origin. "They are just so bold and so young and they make dreadful mistakes trying to establish themselves," said Detective-Sergeant Doug Quan of the gang section of Toronto's Gun and Gang Task Force in a recent interview with CanWest News Service. Those mistakes are increasingly causing alarm in Toronto as innocent bystanders are being caught in the crossfire. But police find the gangs all seem to have at least one thing in common: "Drug trafficking fuels just about everything," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:57:36 -0600 From: Rick Lowe Subject: [none] cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Evil Muslims too! Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca "mred" wrote: > In two generations or less we will be overcome by Muslims and their > wish for a "sharia " law much as was proposed by Ontario politicians > here in Ontario last year. > > The only reason it wasnt passed ? there arent enough Muslims to force > it through (yet) by the preponderance of their votes. So then... I understand you were equally as outraged by the voluntary faith-based family law arbitration that was ALREADY ongoing in Ontario at the time for well over a decade? You were just as pissed that the Christian faiths, Jews, Jehovah Witnesses, etc had been employing their faith based versions of Shariah law for years prior to the Muslims wanting to get in on the act? All the way back to 1991, in fact? I'll have to check back through the CFD archives to read your posts of disgust and outrage that those religions were allowed to introduce their faith based legal systems into Ontario. Can you give me a general idea of when you posted objecting to those religions sticking their oar into the civil law sea? I'd like to read what you had to say about those religions doing back then what the Muslims wanted to do later. You'll have to forgive me, but I suspect that when Catholics and other religions had the opportunity to voluntarily choose religious based arbitration, you really didn't care at all. It was when the Muslims decided they wanted exactly the same thing that all of a sudden you saw a terrifying conspiracy going on here. > Hiding our heads in the sand and hoping they will not embark on their > religious odyssey is a fools game. I gather you're talking about something other than the "religious odyssey's" launched by Christian leaders like Leo IV, John VIII, and Urban II? "When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies... However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God." Oops... sorry, that's from the Bible - wrong faith. Deuteronomy... "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Oops... wrong religious odyssey - from the Bible, the slaughter at Jerico (Joshua). "So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded." Oops again... Joshua, still at it on his religious odyssey. > Read the Kurran. Never heard of it. I did have to read various parts of the Qur'an (or Koran, if you prefer) in a couple of religious studies courses I took as fillers in university - - does that count? "There is no compulsion in religion" The Cow... "Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have disputations with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way." The Bee... "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit." The Spider... What particular parts of Muslim theology are you concerned with? I don't think it's too hard to look very far into Islam, Christianity, of Judaism to find text that most of us would consider to be genocidal. The message of religions is that which they deliver in their entirity - not what the hate filled whackos in all religions choose to cherry pick from their particular faith. Incidentally, as you have apparently done some study of religion, let me ask you: do you think the Muslim faith is currently dealing with the same issues Christianity dealt with during the Reformation? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [UK] 'Hoodie' jailed for killing father who stood up to him Woodham was ignored to death by the cops... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1749936.ece 'Hoodie' jailed for killing father who stood up to him undefined Stewart Tendler, Crime Correspondent May 5, 2007 A teenage gunman was jailed for 25 years yesterday for shooting a young father who had been subjected to a campaign of violence and threats after confronting local thugs. Bradley Tucker, 18, aimed eight shots at Peter Woodhams, a 22-year-old satellite television repairman, and left him bleeding to death in front of his fiancée, Jane Bowden, and their three-year-old son Sam. Mr Woodhams died in a final confrontation with Tucker and a gang of youths close to his home in Custom House, East London, last August. Seven months earlier he was stabbed in the neck, and slashed across the face after confronting teenagers who had thrown stones at his car. Nine officers now face a misconduct inquiry into allegations that they failed to investigate the assault. Miss Bowden called the police every day for five weeks after the stabbing but officers did not take a statement and youngsters regularly taunted the family. Sentencing Tucker, who was convicted in March, the Recorder of London, Judge Peter Beaumont, QC, ordered that he should not be released until he has served a minimum of 25 years. The judge told Tucker: “There are in my judgment no mitigating matters. You were not provoked in any legal or real sense to do what you did. “You perceived disrespect. You feared the loss of face in a challenge that you perceived from the man you killed, a challenge to the standing that you felt you had in the eyes of those around you.” Ms Bowden, 24, was in tears as she left court. In a statement to the court on the impact of the murder she said her son was convinced his father was a star in heaven and looked up at the sky, saying: “Look, there is daddy looking down on me.” Outside the Old Bailey the dead man’s father, Peter Woodhams, said: “We have got to bring out to the public that parents need to be responsible for their children.” He said his family were “contented” to know that for 25 years Tucker would not be able to inflict what he had done to them on anyone else. Tucker, from Canning Town, East London, left school at 13 with no qualifications and was thrown out of the family home when he was convicted of dangerous driving at the age of 16. In January last year Mr Woodhams was driving past a group of shops when a gang of teenagers pelted his car with stones. When he stopped, one of the youths grabbed hold of him while a boy said to answer the description of Tucker shouted: “Hold him, hold him. I’m going to do him.” He pulled out a knife and slashed Mr Woodhams’s face before stabbing him in the neck, narrowly missing his jugular vein. In August Mr Woodhams was driving home when he saw Tucker hanging around near his home smoking cannabis with other youths. Mr Woodhams chased the youths away and went home as Tucker shouted: “F***ing tosser, if he wants it he can have it. If he comes back round he will get it. I will have him”. Tucker armed himself with a pistol, put his hood up and sprinted towards Mr Woodhams, who had left his house to confront him. The teenager’s shots penetrated Mr Woodhams’s chest, piercing the heart and both lungs and causing massive blood loss. Tucker ran away from the scene but later gave himself up to police. He was captured on CCTV wearing a distinctive high-visibility jacket he had put on while working at a construction site in Shadwell earlier that day. Tucker admitted pulling the trigger and pleaded guilty to manslaughter but denied murder, claiming he thought the gun fired blanks. He said that a 14-year-old friend supplied him with the gun but was told: “It just makes a bang”. A 17-year-old said to have acted as his lookout was cleared. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [US][COLUMN] Why Economists Tend to Oppose Gun Control Laws http://www.mises.org/story/2562 Why Economists Tend to Oppose Gun Control Laws By Scott A. Kjar Posted on 5/2/2007 After the shooting rampage at Virginia Tech, many well-intentioned people all over the country have been calling for increased gun control laws. However, economists tend to oppose gun control laws, since such laws generally pay no attention to basic economic issues. Let's start with the relationship between means and ends. The shooter had his ends: he wanted to kill many people, and he wanted it to be visible and spectacular. He also had his means: guns and bullets. He engaged in forward-looking behavior: he purchased the guns, bullets, chains, locks, and video equipment well in advance. He taped himself in advance explaining what he was going to do and why he was going to do it. Now let's consider gun control. Many people argue that if the shooter did not have guns and bullets, he would not have been able to shoot all of those people. This is surely correct. However, from that, they infer that if he did not have guns and bullets, he would not have been able to kill all of those people. This is a whole different question. As Mises.org readers know, in economics, we discuss the idea of substitutes. These are goods that can be used to replace each other such as Coke vs. Pepsi, contact lenses vs. eyeglasses, Macs vs. PCs. When a person has ends, a person can select among different means to achieve those ends. These different means are substitutes. Cho wanted to kill many people, and he wanted it to be visible and spectacular. To that end, he purchases guns, bullets, chains, and locks (to prevent survivors from escaping). Would gun control have prevented this? Or would Cho — who apparently planned this attack for weeks, based on the fact that he acquired guns, bullets, chains, and locks for weeks — have used substitute goods? What would Cho's substitutes have been? What others means are there by which he could engage in mass murder? Well, he could have purchased a knife, although that is probably a weak substitute for guns and bullets in achieving his ends. He has to be right next to his victim, and he might be defeated in personal combat by another person. Likewise, he could not kill a lot of people in the same time frame, and it would not be as spectacular. Perhaps he could have resorted to convincing people to engage in mass suicide, as Rev. Jim Jones did at Jonestown, or Heaven's Gate cult leader Marshall Herff Applewhite did in California. However, since Cho was apparently a non-charismatic loner, this substitute would not likely have been very effective as a means to his end of mass murder. Consider instead, though, the news we see every day from Iraq and Afghanistan. On the day this was written, a moving car bomb killed 19 and wounded 35 in a restaurant. Meanwhile, a parked car bomb killed several more. That is the sort of visible and spectacular mass destruction that Cho desired, and it is not greatly difficult to produce a car bomb. Clearly, a car bomb is a substitute means to achieving Cho's end of a visible and spectacular killing of many students. In fact, it is possible that Cho might even have been more effective with such a means. After all, student traffic flows are very predictable, being based on when classes begin and end. Had Cho built a bomb, he could have detonated it at a time and place where hundreds of students might be within the blast radius. In fact, we see car bombings in the news almost every day, but mass shootings are so rare that we remember them all. We remember the Columbine shooting, and we will remember the Virginia Tech shooting. We remember 9/11 and we remember Pearl Harbor. Why do we remember these things? Because they are so rare! However, we don't remember how many people were killed in Iraq this week, or last week, or the week before. Why not? Because there are so many car bombings that we are nearly immune to news of them. Mass shootings are extremely rare, which makes them news. So however much some people might yearn for gun control, it seems unlikely that it would have prevented Cho from achieving his ends. He had substitutes available, he had more than one means available to achieve his ends, and he plotted long enough to hit upon other means — especially since those other means are described in detail on TV, in the newspapers, and on the internet every day. Economists recognize the relationship between means and ends, including the role played by substitutes. Economists understand that when government restricts one market, consumers merely move into another market, and when government tries to foreclose one means, individuals will simply shift into other means to achieve the same ends. However horrendous we might find the mass shootings at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and other places, the fact is that when disaffected people start planning mass mayhem, the lack of a gun will not stop them. The 1927 Bath Township School bombing, in which 45 people were killed by a school board member, shows that guns are neither necessary nor sufficient for the commission of mass murder at schools. Economists call for a re-thinking of the issue using economic reasoning. As Henry Hazlitt pointed out in his great book Economics in One Lesson, good analysis requires people to look past the obvious and short-term effects on some people, and to focus on the longer-term effects to all people. After all, those longer-term economic realities will arise regardless of the good intentions of people who call for market restrictions. _____________ Scott A. Kjar teaches economics at Baldwin-Wallace College. Send him mail. 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