From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #650 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, July 19 2006 Volume 09 : Number 650 In this issue: Local woman dies from gunshot: 6th homicide of the year Re: Editorial: Honouring the fallen LEGALIZED THUGS [LETTER] Vandals target of archery unfair My letter to the Quesnel Observer Re: Could RCMP deaths have been avoided? My letter to the Vancouver Province Here's An Idea Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse interesting times in Kanuckistan "CURTIS DAGENAIS SURRENDERS" FEDERAL FAMILY VIOLENCE INITIATIVE Police shootings show need for gun registry to be maintained: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:56:39 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Local woman dies from gunshot: 6th homicide of the year PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2006.07.18 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: D6 SOURCE: The Leader-Post WORD COUNT: 159 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Local woman dies from gunshot - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A 40-year-old mother died after being shot in her home at 825 Fourth Ave. North early on Saturday morning, marking the city's sixth homicide of the year. Police responded to a complaint about the shooting just after 1 a.m. The victim, Susan Reinhardt, and another occupant of the home, a 43-year-old man, were taken to hospital. Reinhardt, a Haida woman who is originally from the Queen Charlotte Islands, was pronounced dead at the hospital. She has a five-year-old daughter from a previous relationship. The man is in stable condition after suffering from a gunshot wound, said police. Lyn Fleming, who lives in the area, said she hadn't heard too much from the family in the five years they had lived at the residence. For the past couple of weeks, two other young children have been visiting the house, she said. "They play around and run up and down the street," Fleming said. The two visitors were the children of the male occupant of the home, said police spokesperson Alyson Edwards. All three children were asleep in the home at the time of the shooting, but none were injured. Police have interviewed a person of interest and are continuing to investigate the homicide, Edwards said. An autopsy of the victim is scheduled for 9:30 a.m. today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:41:13 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Editorial: Honouring the fallen - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: National Post > DATE: 2006.07.18 > EDITION: National > SECTION: Editorials > PAGE: A14 > SOURCE: National Post > WORD COUNT: 716 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Honouring the fallen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > A traditional Cree wake of several days' duration is being planned for > the Beardy's-Okemasis First Nation near Duck Lake, Sask. Flags on > government buildings throughout that province are being flown at > half-mast. A nine-month-old baby is without a father; an 11-year-old > girl is without her mother. And once again the RCMP is preparing a full > regimental funeral for two of its own, killed in the line of duty, just > 16 months after the national police force laid to rest four other > officers, murdered in Alberta in March, 2005, under distressingly > similar circumstances. > > In time, there will be opportunity enough to wonder how this could have > happened again, so soon after James Roszko gunned down four Mounties in > Mayerthorpe, Alta., last spring. What flaw in our justice system > permitted Curtis Dagenais, allegedly, to shoot fatally Constables Marc > Bourdages and Robin Cameron? Try the 2 billion gun control scheme and Liberal judges who wont put offenders in Jail.This is the legacy of the former Liberal government, Jean Cretin and Pauly Martin and their gang of theives. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:44:41 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: LEGALIZED THUGS July 17, 2006 British Police Officers Will Not Face Charges Metropolitian Police Face Fine Over Shooting Jean Charles de Menezes was shot and killed by officer from London's Metropolitan Police last July. de Menezes was under suspicion as a terrorist. On July 22, 2005, de Menezes, an electrician attempted to board a London Underground subway train. He was shot and killed by British police. The Metropolitan Police Service has issued a statement on the decision not to charge the two officers who shot de Menzes. "The shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes is a matter of very deep regret to the Metropolitan Police Service. As we approach the first anniversary our continued thoughts are with his family. We have apologised publicly and in private to them and we would again like to take this opportunity to say sorry for this tragedy. "We acknowledge and support today's decision by the Crown Prosecution Service not to charge any officer with criminal offences for their part in the events of 22 July. While we still need to consider carefully any disciplinary matters we are pleased for the officers and their families who have faced much uncertainty over the last year. The actions of Commander Cressida Dick and the other officers have been the subject of much scrutiny and public debate and they deserve our continued support at this time. "However, we are concerned and clearly disappointed at today's decision to prosecute the Metropolitan Police Service for breaches of health and safety. Despite the uncertainty this prosecution will create we will not shrink from our key role of protecting public safety. Officers involved in tackling terrorism operate in one of the most challenging environments within the MPS and they deserve our full support." al Jazeera reports, "Stephen O'Doherty, senior lawyer from the Crown Prosecution Service's Special Crime Division, which decides whether there is enough evidence to prosecute, said there was no realistic prospect of convicting any individual. "I concluded that while a number of individuals had made errors in planning and communication, and the cumulative result was the tragic death of Mr de Menezes, no individual had been culpable to the degree necessary for a criminal offense," he said. "The two officers who fired the fatal shots did so because they thought that Mr de Menezes had been identified to them as a suicide bomber and that if they did not shoot him, he would blow up the train, killing many people," he added." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:57:35 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Vandals target of archery unfair http://www.quesnelobserver.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=27&cat=45&id=690461&more= Vandals target of archery unfair Jul 16 2006 Quesnel Archers archery club hosted their annual outdoor 3-D Shoot June 10-11. We had archers from Vanderhoof, Prince George and McBride, as well as many members from Quesnel. Pioneer Park is a great facility to host this event. There is camping available right at the park, a shelter complete with picnic tables, a huge fire pit and trails for our shoot. We even have a large area for practice that is safely away from any other shooters. People who travel to Quesnel to participate in our shoot cannot believe what a beautiful place we use. They are very impressed with the park. Unfortunately, our out-of-town shooters, our guest shooters and our own members were not so impressed with some of our local residents recently. Saturday evening, those who were camping at the park were sitting around the campfire, enjoying stories about the day’s shoot. There were four different vehicles with young people in them that came part way into the park until they realized we were using it. This park has been a popular party spot from time to time and we assume these people were looking for a place to party. One weekend, the lock to the entrance gate was broken off and the park used for a party. These users burned firewood, but didn’t do any other damage nor leave a mess. When we got up Sunday morning to get ready for the shoot that day, we were shocked, angered and so very disappointed that all our 3-D targets on the practice range had been deliberately vandalized. Who would do such a thing and why? These targets are expensive to buy and since we are a non-profit organization, we have to raise money to make this kind of purchase. One of the destroyed targets was brand new and we just received it in time for this shoot. It was very disheartening for us to witness this kind of disregard and total lack of respect for someone else’s property. This is not what we wanted our guest archers to remember about our 3-D shoot. What must they think. This is certainly not the kind of publicity we want. The following weekend, June 17-18, the park itself was vandalized. A vehicle drove through the locked gate, a picnic table was burned, an outhouse was almost set on fire and ATVs ripped up the grass in the camp area. Have these individuals no respect at all? Our archery organization promotes, maintains and supports a family-orientated archery association in the Quesnel community. We encourage and offer our community youth the opportunity to participate in our sport through our Junior Olympic program. We try to set good examples for our youth and they then are witness to acts of vandalism for no apparent reason. Perhaps these individuals have never had to work for what they have. Perhaps they have nothing to work for. It is sad one or two can ruin something for so many. It also gives their peers just as bad a name and reputation as they are creating for themselves. RCMP will now be making frequent trips to the park to monitor late night usage. Quesnel Archers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:01:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Quesnel Observer Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Dealers will accept unregistered firearms Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:51:50 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: editor@quesnelobserver.com I'm glad to see at least one gun dealer taking the initiative in buying guns from those who no longer want them, instead of having them turned in to the police for destruction. Rempel Sales owner Larry Keis is to be heartily commended. I just wish that more such dealers would follow suit, then no guns would need to be destroyed. Each one is a precious part of our heritage, and can become a precious part of some family's lives. Thanks should go to the Observer, too, for running this important story. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:10:31 -0600 (CST) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Could RCMP deaths have been avoided? - --- Majordomo User wrote: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Sometimes police need protecting; Questions abound > about whether deaths > could have been avoided > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > But he expressed frustration at a legal system that > acts like a > "revolving door" for repeat offenders by not handing > out strict > sentences. Tough law would actually kill more officers since no criminal would want to surrender. They don't shoot cops for fun, but in the desperate attempt to run away from them... Want to prevent death? Teach officers be more careful and alert like in US assuming that every person is armed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:11:14 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Vancouver Province Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Radar lesson triggers surprise shakedown Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:10:47 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Vancouver Province Your article states that "both the driver and passenger were breaching bail conditions" - presumably to refrain from having and using drugs, associating with known gang members, and possessing firearms. What do these criminals face for breaching their conditions? A maximum of 2 years in jail. However, I highly suspect that these sentences are rarely imposed, if at all, from the large number of criminals who are at large with numerous charges for committing crimes while out on bail. Indeed, if these sentences are imposed, my guess is that they would more than likely be served concurrently, as opposed to consecutively. In short, these kinds of provisions are worse than useless: they don't have the deterrent effect they are intended for, and they bring the administration of justice into disrepute. We need sureties with some real teeth in them if breached, and we need those penalties to be imposed, without fail. That's the only way that criminals will take them seriously. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:26:35 -0600 (CST) From: "avon brown" Subject: Here's An Idea Hello To All: Rather than just tell the CPC that you won't donate until they terminate try this. Respond by offering a $100 donation by credit card but don't fill in the the last 4 numbers. When they call to bring it to your attention. Tell them that when they finish what they started. You will !!! Follow their example it's something they will understand. Bud+Weiser Democracy Is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for supper. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:21:07 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse Rob Sciuk wrote snip > Certification still remains a viable target, but simply not ahead of the > election which brings the CPC to a majority. Making this an election > issue in the near term will only cause the CPC difficulties (just as the > Liberal handgun ban was designed to "out" the Tories with the RKBA > philosophy -- thus demonstrating to the electorate what scary red-necks > they are. Fortunately party discipline was retained and the tactic > failed, miserably). As in the refrain from "Danny Boy", tis here that > [we] must 'bide. snip Robert Do you believe the CPC will revisit the firearm issue if C-21 passes and they form the next government? Do you believe CSSA will change its support for lifetime licensing and embrace the old FAC system? __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:44:54 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: interesting times in Kanuckistan RCMP Sask. shootings suspect turns himself in 19/07/2006 6:07:29 AM - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Alfred Dagenais, accused of killing two Saskatchewan Mounties, turned himself in Tuesday, RCMP officials confirmed. CTV.ca News Curtis Alfred Dagenais is seen in an undated RCMP handout photo. Police confirmed that Dagenais surrendered at approximately 4 p.m. CT (6 p.m ET) when he walked into an RCMP detachment in Spiritwood, Sask., accompanied by several people. "Of all the endings, this is the perfect ending to such a tragedy, to have him come in," Supt. Rob Nason told reporters in Spiritwood, , about 140 kilometres northwest of Saskatoon, late Tuesday. Dagenais was taken to a hospital for treatment to an ankle injury but was in good health, he said. Nason said Dagenais was accompanied by people he knew from nearby Mildred, Sask., and that he turned himself in without incident. Dagenais was hiding well outside the search area that officials set up, said Nason. Police had been hunting for Dagenais, 41, who is now charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Const. Marc Bourdages, 26, and Const. Robin Cameron, 29, near Spiritwood. Dagenais is also facing an attempted murder charge for shooting at a third Mountie, who was uninjured. Bourdages and Cameron died within hours of each other over the weekend from head wounds. They were shot in a police pursuit on July 7, which followed a response to a domestic disturbance call. Cameron's father, Howard, said he was relieved to learn that Dagenais turned himself in as it was a difficult time for his family. "I thanked the members for their diligence and their hard work and dedication in putting in the long hours trying to find this person," he said. Police have released few details about what happened on the 7th, citing the ongoing investigation. In one development, a report in The Globe and Mail on Tuesday quoted an ambulance official in Spiritwood as saying police requested an ambulance for the severely wounded officers more than hour after police say they were shot. Police have said the shooting ended at 9:15 p.m. on July 7. However, the ambulance official said police called for paramedics at 10:24 p.m. Sgt. Brian Jones said the timeline will form part of the investigation. He said he would check to see if the information on the timing was accurate. "If there is a material change in information that I can release, we'll make that available to you." The Letter Earlier Tuesday, police were trying to determine if a letter sent to an Edmonton newspaper, claiming to be written by Dagenais, was authentic. "The assumption was that he likely did write that letter," said CTV News' Wayne Mantyka. The letter was sent Friday from the post office in Shell Lake, about 30 kilometres from where the officers were shot on July 7, Jones said. "It is unclear at this point in time if it was mailed by himself or he had assistance in mailing that letter," Jones told reporters earlier Tuesday. Excerpts of the five-page were published by Sun Media. The author blames police for the shooting and is also reportedly critical of Dagenais' sister. It contains a sentence that reads: "I feel terrible about what has happened, but they (police) would not leave me alone," according to the Toronto Sun. "They just started shooting at me, they wanted to `kill me' to hush me about their dirty work,'' it reads. Funeral proceedings A full regimental funeral will be held for Cameron -- a mother of an 11-year-old daughter -- on Friday at Beardy's and Okemasis First Nation near Duck Lack. Bourdages's funeral will be held next Tuesday in Regina at the RCMP Training Academy known as Depot. He leaves behind a wife and nine-month-old son. Dagenais' father, Arthur Levi Dagenais, is due to appear in a North Battleford court Wednesday to enter a plea on charges of obstructing justice, according to the Saskatoon StarPhoenix. He's accused of defying a police order to stay away from the restricted police search area where the RCMP believe Dagenais was hiding. He's also charged with possession of unregistered rifle. Witha report from Jill Macyshon and files from The Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:51:03 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: "CURTIS DAGENAIS SURRENDERS" CURTIS DAGENAIS SURRENDERS Ref: http://www.mysask.com/portal/site/pc-saskatchewan/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.0c847c8a90c8ec1588787f4480315ae8/?javax.portlet.tpst=4545cf302f6c148fa37d93af60315ae8_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4545cf302f6c148fa37d93af60315ae8_viewID=article&javax.portlet.prp_4545cf302f6c148fa37d93af60315ae8_storyID=2759&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=token&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=token CURTIS DAGENAIS SURRENDERS Wed, Jul 19, 2006 12:09 AM CST The RCMP packing up...returning home. The town of Spiritwood...relieved and surprised. A peaceful surrender...after an intense 11 day manhunt. RCMP: "Curt Dagenais, 41, surrendered in Spiritwood, at 4 pm today." The town of Spritiwood heard the man accused of shooting and killing two RCMP members turned himself into police. RCMP say it was uneventful...Curtis Dagenais gave himself up without a fight. He was located outside the search perimetre, south of the town of Mildred. Police say he came into the Spiritwood Detachment with people who knew him. Police say he wasn't staying with those people, and they are not suspected of helping him. SGT. Brian Jones/RCMP: "Those poeple brought him to detachment and they advised officers at the detachment that Curt was here and prepared to surrender and that's indeed exactly what happened." Curtis Dagenais was first taken to hospital, where he was treated for an ankle injury. Otherwise, he is in good physical condition. Police escorted him to North Battleford, where he'll begin court proceedings, on 2 counts of first degree murder and one count of attempted murder. According to RCMP, Curtis Dagenais came here to the RCMP Detachment in Spiritwood, where he walked passed this memorial for Constables Robin Cameron and Marc Bourdages. Even though there is relief, most people are surprised that Dagenais gave himself up. "I thought that they wouldn't be able to catch him...it would be one of those stories that he got away, but it's great. It's really good. I feel for the cops even though they passed away." "I don't know what happened, but I'm surprised that he did turn himself in, yeah." "Why are you surprised?" "Didn't seem like that kind of person." "I didn't think he would surrender this soon." "I think it'll be a big relief for everybody. I've had trouble sleeping at night, thinking about him." But other's say this story isn't over yet. "His dad is in jail going to court tomorrow. If they release him , we're back to block one. I think he's more dangerous than his son was." At its peak, there were about 250 police officers per shift in the Spiritwood area searching for Dagenais. And, although they weren't able to capture him - they're relieved it ended peacefully. STG. BRIAN JONES/RCMP: "Sometimes it's a good thing to be pleasently surprised, with a capital P and a capital S." Norma Reid CTV News, Spiritwood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:59:25 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: FEDERAL FAMILY VIOLENCE INITIATIVE LIBRARY OF PARLIAMENT: The federal government does not give any direct money to women's shelters. http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2006_new/73.pdf PUBLIC HEALTH AGENCY OF CANADA The Family Violence Initiative (FVI) Reducing Family Violence - A Comprehensive Federal Approach The Government of Canada provides the Family Violence Initiative with $7 million permanent annual funding. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/familyviolence/initiative_e.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:04:28 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Police shootings show need for gun registry to be maintained: NOTE: Versions of this Canadian Press article appeared in the Edmonton Journal and the Sault Star. CANADIAN PRESS DATE: 2006.07.18 CATEGORY: National general news BYLINE: TIM COOK PUBLICATION: cpw WORD COUNT: 659 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police shootings show need for gun registry to be maintained: advocates - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REGINA (CP) _ The shooting deaths of two RCMP officers in northern Saskatchewan and other crimes like it in recent years show the need to maintain the federal registry for long-barrelled firearms, gun control advocates say. The firearms registry was devised during the 1990s by the then-Liberal government in the wake of the massacre at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique in 1989. But cost overruns have plagued the program and the new Conservative government has introduced legislation that would eliminate the need for non-restricted rifles and shotguns to be registered. The deaths of constables Robin Cameron, 29, and Marc Bourdages, 26, have tugged at the heartstrings of people across the country and plunged the tiny farming community of Spiritwood, Sask., into a state of grief. Police say the two young officers died after being shot by a man who fled the scene armed with either a hunting rifle or a shotgun on the night of July 7. On Tuesday, an intensive manhunt ended when Curtis Dagenais, 41, surrendered without incident at the RCMP detachment in Spiritwood. He is charged with two counts of first-degree urder. The case is eerily similar to one that unfolded a year and a half earlier in Mayerthorpe, Alta., where four RCMP officers were shot by a man who had a hunting rifle and a military-style assault rifle among his arsenal. Late last year, Const. Valerie Gignac, a municipal police officer in Laval, Que., was shot through a door by a man allegedly brandishing a high-powered rifle. In 2004, RCMP dog handler Cpl. Jim Galloway was shot by a mentally ill man near Edmonton also armed with a long-barrelled gun. Wendy Cukier, a professor of justice studies at Ryerson University and president of the Toronto-based Coalition for Gun Control, says it doesn't make any sense to dismantle the long-gun registry. Cukier points out that, with the registry in place, gun crime levels are the lowest they have been in decades and both the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Professional Police Association, representing rank-and-file officers, support retention of the registry. ``Why anyone would reverse what has actually proved to be an effective public safety tool is really beyond me,'' Cukier said Tuesday in an interview from Toronto. ``Part of the reason the police continue to be supportive is not just because they continue to believe it has an impact on public safety, but also because it is important for officer safety.'' Aside from the cost overruns, the long-gun registry has been criticized as a bureaucracy that makes criminals out of farmers and hunters who use guns responsibly on a regular basis. The Conservatives have always said they prefer to crack down on criminals, not responsible gun owners. While stressing the sympathy the government has for the situation in Spiritwood, Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, said the government still intends to move forward with scrapping the long-gun registry. ``It's a waste of money and it's not an effective way for gun control,'' Leclerc said. She cites Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics figures from 2003 that show, of the 549 murders recorded in Canada, only two were committed with long-guns known to be registered. But Cukier says registration is a tool that allows police to trace a firearm back to its original owner. It's a good way to prevent someone who shouldn't have a gun from buying one legally and it forces legal gun owners to be accountable by making sure their weapons don't fall into the wrong hands, she argued. It can also serve as an early warning tool for officers, letting them know that a routine situation could turn dangerous because guns may be involved. ``No system is perfect, but it reduces the chances that people will be killed,'' Cukier said. ``The system, however imperfect it might be, is better than nothing at all.'' It's unclear whether the Conservatives have the support to pass legislation abolishing the long-gun registry this fall given their minority status. But Day has already taken regulatory steps to free long-gun owners from complying with the law for the next year. Geoff Currie, head of a group of gun control advocates in Toronto called Polite, said the murders in Spiritwood should serve as a wake-up call to the Conservatives. ``How many times are we going to have to watch the families of dead police officers gather for funerals?'' he said. ``I certainly appreciate there are all number of values of having a gun around the farm, but these guns are being turned on police officers.'' ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #650 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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