From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #378 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, May 6 2006 Volume 09 : Number 378 In this issue: Officer faces six misconduct counts Letter to Toronto Star (unpub) ... Re: silencers Email: Assault on Mr. Carmichael Re: Hedy Fry???? ROFLMAO!!! Re: silencers Groupaction they altered their pitch to perform surveillance on RE: Guns and Census Re: silencers OPP officer faces kidnapping, extortion, weapon charges Windsor police officer gunned down in broad daylight Mtl. couple robbed and abducted in home invasion One-year amnesty for gun owners the beginning of the end for EDITOR (Egad, a direct hit!) Star Phoenix Column: Tory crime bill prefers stabbings to ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:05:24 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Officer faces six misconduct counts http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1146779411603&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845 Officer faces six misconduct counts Constable accused of making shady deal Painter got break for suspended licence TRACY HUFFMAN CRIME REPORTER May 5, 2006. 01:00 AM In exchange for $2,000 worth of work at his home, a Toronto police officer let a painter off the hook when he was caught driving while his licence was suspended, according to allegations contained in police act charges against the officer. And when the painter wanted his crew to leave part way through the job for other work, Const. Scott Hampel is alleged to have told him, "If it wasn't for me, you'd be in jail right now." Hampel, a traffic officer, faces six counts of misconduct under the Police Services Act and will appear for trial before the police tribunal on May 16. According to the notice of hearing, Hampel was on duty Oct. 1, 2004, when he assisted York police with a traffic collision investigation at Highway 27 and Steeles Ave. W. "You spoke to the driver of one of the motor vehicles, R.B., who indicated that his driver's licence was under suspension and he was required to drive for his painting business," the allegations state. The painter — who was subject to three driving suspensions — volunteered to paint the officer's home. A few days later, several of the man's painters worked at Hampel's home, it is alleged. At the scene of the collision, Hampel is also alleged of influencing the York officer not to charge the painter, stating he was a "nice guy." Hampel also influenced the painter to use a non-police contract towing company and have his vehicle taken to a specific repair shop in Toronto, the allegations further state. Later, the officer went to the shop, spoke to the owner and requested installation of a DVD player and a double-timing belt in his personal vehicle, work that Hampel instructed should be charged to the painter's invoice, the notice of hearing states. It's alleged that the officer received parts and labour on his personal vehicle, valued at $4,000, between February and November 2004, in exchange for referring people involved in collisions to the shop. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:45:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Toronto Star (unpub) ... Tough on crime plan draws fire ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, While Ms. Powell conveniently protects the identity of the Justice she claims as "unnamed source", the arguments put forward as to why tough custodial sentences are not a deterrent fall a few sandwiches shy of a packed lunch. Firstly, the unnamed Justice claims that criminals are too stupid to realize that their actions have consequences, and that if they carry a firearm in the commission of a crime, then the sentences are likely to be more harsh. Just because the criminal fails to realize that penalties might be increased by posession of a firearm does not mean that the penalties should not *BE* more harsh -- they most certainly should. Secondly, the justice feels that public is crying out for "retribution" and that harsh sentences fail to recognize the "variety and complexity of human situations". I'm sure that Jane Creba, Louise Russo and Derek Wah-Yan had "variety and complexity" in their lives before they were senselessly gunned down by reckless violent criminals. Canadians are not crying out for retribution, but rather simple prevention. Stats Canada themselves have indicated that a full 73% of violent criminals have previously been convicted of a violent crime. Canadians have had enough of the Liberal turnstile system of justice, and while those who have a vested interest in keeping the scales of justice busy might not like it, it is time to start handing out real sentences for real crimes. Say what you like, the Tories have made a real good first start, and all Canadians will be the safer for it. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:53:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert P." Subject: Re: silencers You are right I should use the muffler. After all on a car it does not silence the engine just muffles the exhaust. You are also right as it would not stop the noise of a bullet passing at speeds above the speed of sound. I just mention them as a means of assisting in dropping the noise level somewhat. After all the health of the shooter is what I am more concerned with. Whether some "urbanite" who is stupid enough to build his/her house next to a shooting range deserves what they get. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:08:13 -0600 (CST) From: augustin Subject: Email: Assault on Mr. Carmichael Dear Mr. Brackenridge, It is my understanding that Shawn Carmichael was brutally assaulted on May 1st, 2006, as he attempted to legally serve Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) (at 59 Camelot Dr, Ottawa) with a "Statement of Claim" on behalf of the Ontario Landowners Association. As a Canadian citizen, I cannot sufficiently express how appalled I am at your Gestapo-style actions. It is atrocious for any organization to react as you have, but particularly intolerable from a Canadian government agency. I would like to remind you that Canadians maintain our government in order to be served by it, not to be ruled by it. I fully expect that this matter will be dealt with severely and expeditiously. Augustin cc: Randy Hillier randy@ruralrevolution.com Dalton McGuinty premier@gov.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:52:19 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Hedy Fry???? ROFLMAO!!! At 10:18 AM 5/5/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > >BC MP Hedy "...crosses are burning..." Fry has thrown her pointed hat >into the ring for the Liberal leadership race. > >Let's see...she's an immigrant woman of colour, anti-American, racially >paranoid, off-the-wall, left wing; obviously ideal candidate material >for the NDP, not the Liberals. > >When she is laughed out of the convention hall, I wonder if she'll cross >the floor to Jack Layton? She is only running for the liberal party leadership so her backers could put $50,000.00 as a nomination fee into the Liberal party coffers and avoid the election Canada limits on donations. She has no expectation of winning. This is just an extention of the Sponsorship program, and it may even be the same money. The Liberal party has raised $550,000.00 in nomination fees that don't get questioned by elections Canada. It is just another Liberal shyster scam. Now if enough gun owners joined and got Hedy elected as Liberal party leader, Whooee! wouldn't it be fun. Maybe those folks burning crosses on lawns in PG can get "cultural" govenment grants. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:53:53 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: silencers At 10:46 AM 5/5/2006 -0600, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barry Snow" >> >>>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:32:03 -0600 (CST) >>>From: "Robert P." >>>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Rangers Emphasize Community Support >>> >>>If you move to an area in which there is a range then they have no >>>reason to complain. It is like moving next to a train station and then >>>complaining about the train noise. >>> >>>Of course if silencers were allowed on firearms then the noise would not >>>be an issue. >> >> Most hunting rifles fire supersonic rounds and silencers have little >> effect. This is why armed forces do not use them as the bullet breaking >> the sound barrier is quite loud itself. >> Barry > >I have had this discussion with various members of the shooting >fraternity on other sites ? notably US; and they claim it does reduce >the noise on rounds travelling above the speed of sound ? > >My observations was the same as yours, and I was contradicted by users >who had employed them and spoke of their usefulness ? > >I would have to make a silencer to actually find out if they worked on >rounds above the speed of sound ? > >An empty plastic milk jug with steel wool inserted would make an >excellent suppressor. Possession of or an attempt to silence a firearm is illegal. Steel wool is also a very poor choice for a silencer as it may ignite from the muzzleblast and burn up the evidence, along with other stuff. Take a small pinch of steel, about the size of a dime make sure it isn't compacted and light it. do this in a place where it will not catch anything else on fire. It will burn rather impressively. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:03:58 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Groupaction they altered their pitch to perform surveillance on THE TORONTO STAR Guité proposed lie about job, trial told May 5, 2006. 07:09 PM CANADIAN PRESS http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1146826880086&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467 MONTREAL - Chuck Guité had a simple suggestion for explaining how the federal government spent $330,000 on a contract that allegedly produced nothing, a former ad executive testified Friday. "Mr. Guité said, `Don't worry. If anybody asks questions, we'll say we threw out the documents and destroyed the mock-ups,'" said Jean Lambert, a former vice-president at Groupaction Marketing. "Those might not be his exact words, but that was the gist of it." Lambert was the first witness at Guité's trial on five charges of fraud for granting nearly $2 million in contracts to Groupaction, often for little or no work. Guité, who is defending himself, was head of the sponsorship program in the 1990s and was in charge of buying millions in government advertising and marketing. He allegedly defrauded the government of about $1.5 million. The jury heard of a $330,000 contract in late 1996 and 1997 aimed at helping promote the new federal firearms registry. Groupaction drew up a detailed plan to hold focus groups, produce research, design a communications plan and advertising strategy and presented it to Guité, Lambert said. The budget for the detailed plan was $280,000. Later a contract was approved for $330,000. "There was no work done that I know of," Lambert testified. Lambert described a meeting early on with Guité and Groupaction head Jean Brault where Brault complained the contract would require a lot of work. Lambert said Guité then suggested that instead of doing any work, they could simply say all the work was thrown in the garbage. "It was striking," said Lambert, who resigned from the company in 2001. "I had some concerns for what I saw." In a second 1997 contract, Lambert described a conversation with Brault where the ad executive told him to create a project to fit a $150,000 contract coming their way. "He told me to find a pretext, a reason, to invent something to use for an estimate," Lambert said. "He told us to think of something." At first, they drew up a plan to inventory federal Internet sites, Lambert said. Later, they altered their pitch to perform surveillance on "extremist" groups complaining about the federal gun registry. A Groupaction employee did about 30 hours of work in the end, Lambert said. Guité is facing two charges in relation to the two contracts, although it hasn't yet been made clear what his role was in the second contract. Brault pleaded guilty to five counts of fraud totalling $1.2 million and was sentenced Friday to 30 months in prison. Earlier, Crown prosecutor Jacques Dagenais said Guité arranged two gun registry contracts worth $480,000 for work the lead agency involved in the registry didn't even want. While two of the charges relate to the registry, the three others are linked to research on the visibility of federal sponsorships in Quebec. In at least one of those cases, an expert "will testify a first-year student in marketing would fail for that kind of work," Dagenais said. Guité, who was charged in 2004, was a key witness last year at the Gomery inquiry, which looked into the sponsorship program. The jurors have been repeatedly warned to ignore the hearings in front of Justice John Gomery, which were broadcast live and became a television hit in Quebec. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:07:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Guns and Census Kingsley: In the past, I have heard that they have used as many as 4 different long forms in each census. Jim Pook Box 326, Tahsis, BC V0P 1X0 jim@tahsisbc.com - -----Original Message----- I have just completed the "detailed" report. Lots of questions but nothing about guns. Kingsley Beattie L45*23'10.9"N Lo75*00'00.6"W ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 06:47:17 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: silencers - ----- Original Message ----- From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> > At 10:46 AM 5/5/2006 -0600, you wrote: >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Barry Snow" >>> >>>>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:32:03 -0600 (CST) >>>>From: "Robert P." >>>>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Rangers Emphasize Community Support >>>> > Possession of or an attempt to silence a firearm is illegal. > Steel wool is also a very poor choice for a silencer as it may ignite > from the muzzleblast and burn up the evidence, along with other stuff. Yes it is ! but theres untold information on the net on how to make one out of household products if youre so inclined/Disassembly renders the silencer into household products again which are not illegal to have or use? For rifles it is said silencers can be made out of simple plastic plumbing fittings and shows how to do it amongst other common household items . These silencers are designed by someone who seems to know what theyre doing as they ARE designed for rifles above .22 caliber,and apparently they work, as designed. Silencers can be made out of a pop can filled with steel wool.For low velocity handgun rounds and .22 caliber guns. > Take a small pinch of steel, about the size of a dime make sure it isn't > compacted and light it. do this in a place where it will not catch > anything else on fire. It will burn rather impressively. Yes I have heard of this from ex-criminals in the construction industry......How they got the steel wool is beyond me ? They didnt say .. What they used it for?, so I was told, is to light their cigarettes? They apparently shoved it into an electrical outlet whereupon it got hot enough to light a cigarette ?Both sides,making the circuit between the hot and neutral with the steel wool. I dont know how they did that with out getting a shock ? maybe used a pencil or non conductive item like a comb ? they never said. I have never tried to make a silencer and any information in here is strictly for educational purposes ONLY,and is not a recomendation to manufacture such items. ed/ontario ...nonassumsit contract, allrights reserved , without prejudice.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:24:54 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: OPP officer faces kidnapping, extortion, weapon charges http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=4e5cceb7-d019-4298-ba8e-419430d35f29 OPP officer faces kidnapping, extortion, weapon charges Sonja Puzic, CanWest News Service Published: Saturday, May 06, 2006 WINDSOR - Two men, including an Ontario Provincial Police officer, have been charged with kidnapping, extortion and possession of a dangerous weapon after a man said he was abducted and threatened at gunpoint. Constable Xxxxx Xxxxx of Pickering, who works at the OPP's Queen's Park detachment, and Rui Furtado, of Leamington, were arrested on Wednesday after the alleged victim told police he was kidnapped from a plaza in Chatham, at about 2 a.m. The man alleged two men put him in a van and drove to the Travellers Motel, also in Chatham, where he was threatened with a gun. Const. Xxxxx, a former Chatham-Kent OPP officer, and Mr. Furtado allegedly threatened him with a gun. Chatham-Kent police Inspector George Flikweert would not confirm the man was told to put $50,000 in an offshore bank account, as earlier media reports had indicated. "Some of those details have been picked up in court and I'm not going to comment on them," he said. © National Post 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:25:08 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Windsor police officer gunned down in broad daylight http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/05/windsor-shooting.html Windsor police officer gunned down in broad daylight Last Updated Fri, 05 May 2006 16:53:52 EDT CBC News A veteran member of the Windsor, Ont., police force was shot and killed Friday. It is the first time in the force's 120-year history that one of its officers has been murdered in the line of duty. Const. John Atkinson, 37, was gunned down outside a convenience store in the southwestern Ontario city in the middle of the afternoon, apparently trying to prevent a robbery. Windsor resident Dennis Rochon heard the commotion and saw the aftermath. "I was sitting on my balcony," he told CBC News. "I thought I heard a car backfiring, then I saw people across the street panicking." Rochon said he saw Atkinson's body lying in the street, bleeding from the gunshot wounds. Windsor police called in every available officer, including its tactical team and members of the Ontario Provincial Police. Shooting stuns city, schools Large areas of the city were sealed off as police looked for the shooters. Ten schools in the area were locked down as a precaution. Parents had signed their children out. Windsor police Const. John Atkinson (in 1994 file photo) was shot and killed Friday in the parking lot of a convenience store. (Windsor Star Files/CP) Within hours, police had one suspect in custody. A second was arrested later in the afternoon, along with a handgun. The two men under arrest are both 18 and from Windsor. They have not yet been charged. Later in the day, two more people were taken into custody, but police have not released any further information. Windsor police Chief Glenn Stannard said Atkinson was on duty when he spotted some suspicious men at a convenience store and went into action. "Const. Atkinson approached these individuals, and during this time a firearm was produced and Const. Atkinson was shot. Const. Atkinson was struck by a bullet, but was unable to return fire." Atkinson is survived by his wife and two children – a six-year-old daughter and a nine-year-old son. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:25:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Mtl. couple robbed and abducted in home invasion http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060505/home_invasion_060505/20060505?hub=Canada Mtl. couple robbed and abducted in home invasion CTV.ca News Staff A Montreal couple endured a terrifying ordeal late Thursday when they were robbed and abducted by a gunman who broke into their home. Robert and Debra Chalabi, of Baie D'Urfe, Que., awoke to a gun being pointed at their heads by a burglar who later forced them to drive to cash machines in their car. The man, who broke in at around 10:20 p.m. Thursday, first ordered couple to load jewelry, a camera, a television and computer equipment into their car. He then forced the couple, who are both in their sixties, to drive to a number of bank machines, where he held them at gunpoint as money was withdrawn from their account. Speaking to CTV News Friday, a shaken Robert Chalabi said he "had to remain calm because the gunman was probably more nervous than we were." "I was just hoping he wouldn't pull the trigger," Chalabi said. "He said if we were calm and cooperated then no one would get hurt. He asked us to get dressed and we went on a tour of the house to see what was valuable. "He cleared out our wallets and went through our credit cards and bank cheques." After visiting several cash machines, the man eventually told the pair to get out of the car in Chateauguay, Que. before he drove off in their vehicle. After their two-hour ordeal, the couple finally managed to make their way home by taxi, before contacting police, who are still investigating. "I was doing everything he wanted, I had to remain calm," Chalabi added, saying both he and his wife were now "taking it slowly." No arrests have been made. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:27:33 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: One-year amnesty for gun owners the beginning of the end for PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2006.05.06 EDITION: National SECTION: Canada PAGE: A5 SOURCE: National PostPOLICE ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Sheila Fraser. WORD COUNT: 151 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One-year amnesty for gun owners the beginning of the end for registry, report says - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Conservatives want to kill the gun registry and will announce a one-year amnesty for gun owners who fail to register a firearm or let their licence expire, Global National has learned. The government will waive fees and refund those paid by gun owners in recent months. Sheila Fraser, pictured, will issue a report in 12 days, and Global National has also learned it will be critical of the way the firearms centre has handed out and administered contracts. Until the registry is eliminated, responsibility for it will shift from the public safety minister to the RCMP. Getting rid of the gun registry will require legislation. The Tories plan to introduce a bill, but there is no guarantee it will pass in a minority Parliament. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:28:04 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: EDITOR (Egad, a direct hit!) PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2006.05.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Comment PAGE: 14 BYLINE: OTTAWA SUN COLUMN: Letter of the Day WORD COUNT: 65 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IT SEEMS that the same crowd who would spend any amount of other people's money on the gun registry because "If it saves just one life, it's worth it," now suddenly abhor spending anything to put more criminals behind bars. I guess their new mantra against prison funding is "If it costs even one dollar, it's not worth it." Tom McAuley Winnipeg EDITOR (Egad, a direct hit!) oped@ott.sunpub.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 08:29:04 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Star Phoenix Column: Tory crime bill prefers stabbings to PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2006.05.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Third Page PAGE: A3 COLUMN: Les MacPherson BYLINE: Les MacPherson SOURCE: The StarPhoenix WORD COUNT: 798 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tory crime bill prefers stabbings to shootings - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Would you rather be shot or stabbed? It's the kind of morbid hypothetical you might hear kids discussing in the bunkhouse after lights out at summer camp. Now our federal government has weighed in. For reasons not entirely clear, the people in charge in Ottawa would rather you were stabbed than shot. The federal preference for stabbing is reflected in proposed changes to the Criminal Code. The governing Conservatives want a minimum, five-year sentence imposed on criminals who use guns. Criminals who use knives, however, would face no such minimum. It figures that criminals' choice of weaponry will come to reflect this federal preference for stabbing. It figures, too, that this will tilt the odds more in favour of Canadians being stabbed than shot. That's fine with me. I'd rather be stabbed than shot anyway. I'm not sure it would hurt any less, but the chance of survival is significantly better for a stabbing victim. I just hate to think that the perpetrator would get off easy because he used a knife instead of a gun. This makes no sense. Especially in Saskatoon it makes no sense. The big problem here is knives. People are knifed in the city at the rate of about one a week. How many others are menaced or intimidated by criminals armed with knives, we can only imagine. I got a call the other day from a father whose son is afraid to go to school because so many of his classmates carry knives. The kid is afraid of getting stabbed just for looking at someone the wrong way. His fear is not unwarranted. There's an endless parade through Saskatoon courts of young, repeat offenders charged with crimes involving knives. Most get off with probation. This is not exactly a big disincentive. As we have seen. This plague of knife crimes compares with a gun-crime problem that city police describe as "very, very small." That said, a gun is in many respects more dangerous than a knife. Bullets travel further, threatening innocent bystanders blocks away. Gunshot wounds are more likely than stabbings to be fatal. A gun is more likely to be carried for criminal purposes. There are all kinds of good reasons to crack down on gun crime. But let's not forget about knife crime, which, around here at least, is orders of magnitude more prevalent. The other problem with the proposed federal crime bill is minimum sentencing itself. It's easy to imagine the circumstances of a gun crime for which the proposed, five year minimum is beyond excessive. But you don't need to imagine such circumstances. They're in the case law. Consider, for example, the case of Jane Stafford, a battered Nova Scotia woman who in 1982 shot and killed her violently abusive partner. That he was passed out in his truck at the time undermined her justification of self-defence. Convicted of manslaughter, Stafford served two months in jail, widely regarded at the time as two months too many. To pile on a five-year minimum because she used a gun would have been an outrage against justice. Minimum sentences are the bluntest of legal instruments. Just ask Robert Latimer, convicted of second-degree murder for killing his disabled daughter to end her chronic pain. In spite of the jury's unanimous recommendation for mercy, in spite of the two-year sentence imposed by the presiding judge, the appeal courts had no choice but to substitute the legally-mandated 10-year-minimum. Latimer is still doing time while gangsters and cutthroats go free. This remains an outrage against justice. Further minimum sentence provisions only invite more of the same. Don't misunderstand me here. I'm all in favour of locking up violent criminals who might otherwise threaten the public. Whether they use guns or knives is immaterial. Quite a few knife-wielding criminals would have used a gun if only they could have laid hands on one. It's the use of a weapon that matters, not the choice of a weapon. What we need, I think, is not minimum sentences or targeted sentences but indefinite sentences. Let's lock up violent offenders until they prove they can behave themselves or until they're too old and feeble to hurt anyone, whichever comes first. We would thus be spared those unsettling warnings that a dangerous predator has completed his sentence and moved into the neighborhood. What kind of half-assed justice system sets free a dangerous predator? The object, simply stated, should be to keep the bad guys locked up. It sounds simple enough, but there is no end of experts with no end of reasons why it can't possibly happen. You have to wonder whose side they're on. lmacpherson@sp.canwest.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE - MAY 4, 2006 BILL C-10: An Act to amend the Criminal Code (minimum penalties for offences involving firearms) and to make a consequential amendment to another Act SUMMARY This enactment amends the Criminal Code to provide for escalating minimum penalties - according to the number, if any, of previous convictions - of five, seven and ten years for eight serious offences involving the use of a firearm if the firearm is either a restricted or prohibited firearm or if the offence was committed in connection with a criminal organization, to provide for escalating minimum penalties - according to the number, if any, of previous convictions - ranging between one and five years for other firearm-related offences and to create two new offences: breaking and entering to steal a firearm and robbery to steal a firearm. http://www.parl.gc.ca/39/1/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-10/C - -10_1/C-10_cover-E.html ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #378 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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