From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #293 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, April 10 2006 Volume 09 : Number 293 In this issue: MURAL TO 52 KILLED IN T.O. SHOOTINGS RCMP also seized two 9mm handguns, two rifles CSSA Position on Licensing Re: [Bulk] Wanted: A good home for an unwanted gun H.R. 47 - Citizens' Self-Defense Act MP Accountability Questions Re: CSSA Position on Licensing Re: CSSA Position on Licensing Five men charged in gangland shooting of 8; termed "internal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:44:55 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: MURAL TO 52 KILLED IN T.O. SHOOTINGS PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2006.04.02 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 75 ILLUSTRATION: photo by Veronica Henri The Peace Mural is unveiled yesterday near Bloor St. W. and Dufferin St. It was a project of the Harbourfront Community Centre. BYLINE: BRIAN GRAY, TORONTO SUN WORD COUNT: 195 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MURAL TO THE DEAD YOUNG ARTISTS DRESS UP A DRUGGIE LANEWAY WITH A TRIBUTE TO 52 KILLED IN T.O. SHOOTINGS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Several young artists are hoping a laneway in the city's west end will become a pathway to peace. A mural unveiled yesterday on a wall at 1163 Bloor St. W., near Dufferin St., has an anti-violence message and includes the first names of the 52 people who died in gun violence in Toronto last year. "I hope people see this as more than just a piece of art," said Grade 12 student Kyle Bryan, one of a number of young artists who gave time and talent to the work's creation as part of the Harbourfront Community Centre Mural Program. The lane is heavily used by Bloor Collegiate students but local residents and business owners were complaining it was quickly becoming a haven for drug dealers, said Const. Scott Mills of 14 Division, who works as a Toronto Police school liaison officer. "Remnants of drug use littered the alley and we're hoping this mural will go a long way towards cleaning it up," Mills said. Several mural proposals were considered and then scrapped, but the anti-violence theme was agreed on after the death of 15-year-old Jane Creba in the Boxing Day shootings on Yonge St. "I walked by the flowers and the candles at the site (of the shooting) the day after and it affected me," said Rudy Chiguichon, 21, a Ryerson photography student. "After that, we came up with this idea to try to get people to acknowledge there is a problem." Along with the names there are quotations and images of famous people. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:57:32 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: RCMP also seized two 9mm handguns, two rifles PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2006.04.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A14 BYLINE: Stuart Hunter SOURCE: The Province WORD COUNT: 237 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eight charged after crime ring busted - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eight men, including three brothers from Port Coquitlam, are facing a variety of drug-related charges after Burnaby Mounties busted an organized crime ring and seized a cache of drugs, weapons, cars and cash. The main bust was made March 28 when Burnaby officers, working in conjunction with drug officers from Coquitlam and North Vancouver, made the arrests and seizures. Among the drugs seized were 1.3 kilograms of cocaine (about 10,400 individual doses), 529 grams of marijuana (enough for 4,224 joints), .4 grams of heroin, 3.1 grams of hash oil and 19 pills that are still being analyzed. RCMP also seized a variety of weapons including two 9mm handguns, two rifles and one set of brass knuckles. Four vehicles worth a combined total of $44,000 were also seized, along with $37,727 in Canadian cash and $85 in American bills. Charged are Adel Sabah Sooadi, 20, of PoCo; Laith Sabah Sooadi, 23, of PoCo; Omar Sabah Ali Sooadi, 22, of PoCo; Van Son Vu, 21, of Surrey; Wilfredo Tinidad Marfori, 22, of Richmond; Aaaron Pang, 21, of Vancouver; Richard Hong-Tai Man, 24, of Burnaby; and Jerrick Justin Gangoso, 20, of Richmond. The eight men face assorted charges including unlawfully trafficking in a controlled substance (cocaine and marijuana), occupying a motor vehicle knowing there was a firearm in it, carrying a concealed weapon (a 9mm Luger), possessing a restricted weapon (a 9mm Luger), removing a serial number on a firearm and failing without lawful excuse to abide by conditions. shunter@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:49:03 -0600 (CST) From: "L. Whitmore CSSA" Subject: CSSA Position on Licensing In response to the debate raging about firearms licensing and which organizations are in support of the current system, let me state unequivocally; "The Canadian Shooting Sports Association does not support any legislation or regulations that inhibits the lawful possession and use of firearms by law abiding, responsible Canadians." The reality, however, is that Licensing in some form or another has been in effect since 1979. At this time the majority of Canadians (including a large percentage of firearms owners) and politicians support this concept and it would be counter productive and a miss-direction of our resources and credibility to draw a line in the sand, as some would have us do, to fight this process. We must accept the fact that some form of licensing/screening process is inevitable for the immediate future. Our resources, both financial and manpower, are presently concentrated on winning the battles we believe we can win on behalf of our membership. Doing otherwise would be a waste of time and effort. We believe, in the interim, the issue is best approached by the implementation of the following recommendations to reduce the licensing requirements and the bureaucracy. - - Folding the PAL, POL and FAC into one license - - Licenses to be lifetime in duration until revoked (with cause) or surrendered - - Alternate safety certification to be allowed such as hunter safety courses, police and military training, safety courses conducted by recognized organizations - - ATTs and SAPs be part of a license - If an individual is trusted enough to be approved for the acquisition of restricted and currently prohibited firearms, they should be allowed to transport these for any legal purpose without the necessity of obtaining additional paperwork - to be valid nationwide - - Removal all fees attached to the licensing process Hopefully, this clears up any questions about the CSSA position on firearms licensing. Best regards. Larry Whitmore - Executive Director ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:49:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert P." Subject: Re: [Bulk] Wanted: A good home for an unwanted gun Put it up for sale at your local gun club. Check for the nearest gunsmith/gun dealer and see if they put up firearms on concession. There is also here on the list. I do not advertise it in your local paper since that may just set you up for a hit. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:54:34 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: H.R. 47 - Citizens' Self-Defense Act This is something we could use up here - forward this to your MP. H.R. 47 - Citizens' Self-Defense Act *SUMMARY AS OF:* 1/4/2005--Introduced. Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2005 - Declares that a person not prohibited under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of: (1) self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and unlawful infliction of serious bodily injury; (2) self or family in the course of the commission by another person of a violent felony against the person or a member of the person's family; and (3) the person's home in the course of the commission of a felony by another person. Authorizes persons whose rights under this Act have been violated to bring an action in U.S. district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate. *Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)* HR 47 IH 109th CONGRESS 1st Session *H. R. 47* To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. *IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES* *January 4, 2005* Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary *A BILL* To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. /Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,/ *SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.* This Act may be cited as the `Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2005'. *SEC. 2. FINDINGS.* The Congress finds the following: (1) Police cannot protect, and are not legally liable for failing to protect, individual citizens, as evidenced by the following: (A) The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: `[C]ourts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.'. (B) Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities. (C) The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour. (2) Citizens frequently must use firearms to defend themselves, as evidenced by the following: (A) Every year, more than 2,400,000 people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals--or more than 6,500 people a day. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. (B) Of the 2,400,000 self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse. (C) Of the 2,400,000 times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92 percent merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, does a citizen kill or wound his or her attacker. (3) Law-abiding citizens, seeking only to provide for their families' defense, are routinely prosecuted for brandishing or using a firearm in self-defense. For example: (A) In 1986, Don Bennett of Oak Park, Illinois, was shot at by 2 men who had just stolen $1,200 in cash and jewelry from his suburban Chicago service station. The police arrested Bennett for violating Oak Park's handgun ban. The police never caught the actual criminals. (B) Ronald Biggs, a resident of Goldsboro, North Carolina, was arrested for shooting an intruder in 1990. Four men broke into Biggs' residence one night, ransacked the home and then assaulted him with a baseball bat. When Biggs attempted to escape through the back door, the group chased him and Biggs turned and shot one of the assailants in the stomach. Biggs was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon--a felony. His assailants were charged with misdemeanors. (C) Don Campbell of Port Huron, Michigan, was arrested, jailed, and criminally charged after he shot a criminal assailant in 1991. The thief had broken into Campbell's store and attacked him. The prosecutor plea-bargained with the assailant and planned to use him to testify against Campbell for felonious use of a firearm. Only after intense community pressure did the prosecutor finally drop the charges. (4) The courts have granted immunity from prosecution to police officers who use firearms in the line of duty. Similarly, law-abiding citizens who use firearms to protect themselves, their families, and their homes against violent felons should not be subject to lawsuits by the violent felons who sought to victimize them. *SEC. 3. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF, FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT.* (a) Reaffirmation of Right- A person not prohibited from receiving a firearm by Section 922(g) of title 18, United States Code, shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms-- (1) in defense of self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and unlawful infliction of serious bodily injury; (2) in defense of self or family in the course of the commission by another person of a violent felony against the person or a member of the person's family; and (3) in defense of the person's home in the course of the commission of a felony by another person. (b) Firearm Defined- As used in subsection (a), the term `firearm' means-- (1) a shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code); (2) a rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of title 18, United States Code); or (3) a handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public Law 99-408). (c) Enforcement of Right- (1) IN GENERAL- A person whose right under subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring an action in any United States district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate. (2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE ATTORNEY'S FEE- In an action brought under paragraph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs. (3) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS- An action may not be brought under paragraph (1) after the 5-year period that begins with the date the violation described in paragraph (1) is discovered. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:01:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Lex Winram" Subject: MP Accountability Questions It seems to me there is a website that tracks the voting record of individual MP's but I can't seem to find it. Has anybody (e.g. Bruce maybe?) got it on hand? Also, I would like to track an MP's daily attendance record and I'd like to find a website for that also. Any help will be appreciated. Lex Winram [ http://www.howdtheyvote.ca./ - BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:15:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Montague" Subject: Re: CSSA Position on Licensing Dear Larry Whitmore: My response to your e-mail is inserted within your original for clarity. >----- Original Message ----- >From: L. Whitmore CSSA >To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca >Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:19 PM >Subject: CSSA Position on Licensing > > >In response to the debate raging about firearms licensing and which >organizations are in support of the current system, >let me state >unequivocally; "The Canadian Shooting Sports Association does not support >any legislation or regulations >that inhibits the lawful possession and use >of firearms by law abiding, responsible Canadians." Sounds perfect so far. I think everyone would be in agreement on that statement. >The reality, however, is that Licensing in some form or another has been in >effect since 1979. At this time the majority >of Canadians (including a >large percentage of firearms owners) and politicians support this concept >and it would be >counter productive and a miss-direction of our resources >and credibility to draw a line in the sand, as some would >have us do, to >fight this process. We must accept the fact that some form of >licensing/screening process is inevitable >for the immediate future. We differ drastically here. You don't seem to understand what I said in my previous e-mail. I'll restate it a little differently. The old FAC system was NOT a license. I'm not just arguing semantics here, I talking about a fundamental change in the way our law was changed. The FAC was a certificate that simply amounted to a "background check" and was not required to simply possess firearms. With the new PAL system (which is a license) they changed the wording in the criminal code to make firearms possession a crime, and this PRIVILEGED license is permission to commit a crime. How long do you think it'll be before they start to drastically restrict this privilege? I also don't agree with your view that licensing is supported by a "majority". Most people are unaware of the significant but subtle change made in our criminal code. If people understood the legal ramifications of this change they would not support it. Right now most people think it's the same as the old FAC under a different name, and are silent on the issue. That can hardly be termed as support. If you don't believe me, talk to your lawyer Ed Burlew about this distinction on what the PAL license is. >Our resources, both financial and manpower, are presently concentrated on >winning the battles we believe we can win >on behalf of our membership. >Doing otherwise would be a waste of time and effort. I understand this concept of fighting battles you can win. Do you understand the concept of BEING FORCED TO FIGHT a battle regardless of the odds, because to do otherwise would mean certain doom? I have staked my career and all my earthly possessions in this fight. I did it because I can see quite clearly where these laws are going. We are losing our guns and rights at an alarming rate, and instead of losing mine bit by bit, I decided to make a stand for all Canadians (with support of course) in the hope that we can finally reverse this trend of persecution that gun owners are all facing now. >We believe, in the interim, the issue is best approached by the >implementation of the following recommendations to >reduce the licensing >requirements and the bureaucracy. > >- Folding the PAL, POL and FAC into one license >- Licenses to be lifetime in duration until revoked (with cause) or >surrendered >- Alternate safety certification to be allowed such as hunter safety >courses, police and military training, safety >courses conducted by >recognized organizations >- ATTs and SAPs be part of a license - If an individual is trusted enough >to be approved for the acquisition of >restricted and currently prohibited >firearms, they should be allowed to transport these for any legal purpose >without >the necessity of obtaining additional paperwork - to be valid >nationwide >- Removal all fees attached to the licensing process All of the above has no real substance when it comes to protecting our fundamental rights. The above points only makes living under persecution 'a little nicer'. >Hopefully, this clears up any questions about the CSSA position on firearms >licensing. > >Best regards. > >Larry Whitmore - Executive Director I'm sorry to hear your position as it stands right now. I pray that your organization will take another look at this important issue, and either point out the err in my ways or change your position for the benefit of all firearm owners in Canada. Think about this; If what I'm saying to you about licensing is true, then we are at a pivotal point in Canadian law as far as firearms owners are concerned. If I lose my Constitutional Challenge the law can likely never be reversed! Let's not look back on this case and regret letting this opportunity slip through our fingers. Yours in Liberty, Bruce. "All that is needed for evil to triumph is for the good men to do nothing." - - unknown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:17:52 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: CSSA Position on Licensing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Whitmore CSSA" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: CSSA Position on Licensing > The reality, however, is that Licensing in some form or another has been > in effect since 1979. At this time the majority of Canadians (including > a large percentage of firearms owners) and politicians support this > concept and it would be counter productive and a miss-direction of our > resources and credibility to draw a line in the sand, as some would have > us do, to fight this process. We must accept the fact that some form of > licensing/screening process is inevitable for the immediate future. Sounds wonderful doesn't it ? but why should we give up a right we`re endowed with at birth and have to get permission from government to own anything? I still say the younger generation have been brain washed by the liberals and antis . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:25:49 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Five men charged in gangland shooting of 8; termed "internal http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/10042006/2/national-five-men-charged-gangland-shooting-8-termed-quot-internal.html Five men charged in gangland shooting of 8; termed "internal cleansing" by police 1 hour, 48 minutes ago LONDON, Ont. (CP) - Five people have been arrested and charged with first-degree murder in the gangland-style shooting of eight men who were associated with or full-fledged members of the notorious Bandidos motorcycle gang, police said Monday. Ontario police Det.-Insp. Don Bell described the shootings as an "internal cleansing" within the gang and insisted there's little reason for public fear. "I think this is an isolated incident and I wouldn't expect to see any significant fallout from it," Bell said. "It should be noted that these men are criminals. They are not the motorcycle enthusiasts they portray themselves to be." The eight victims, found stuffed Saturday inside several vehicles abandoned near a southwestern Ontario farmer's field, were all victims of gunshot wounds, although the cause of death has not been confirmed, said Ontario police Det.-Supt. Ross Bingley. "The victims of this crime have been positively identified and are associated (with), or belong to, the Bandidos motorcycle gang," Bingley told a news conference, a pair of Bandidos motorcycle vests on display behind him like hunting trophies. "This is an isolated incident with ties to the Bandidos." Bingley confirmed that Wayne Kellestine, 56, a "full-patch" member of the gang whose home near the scene of where the bodies were found was raided Sunday by provincial police, was among those arrested and charged. Also arrested Sunday were Eric Niessen, 45, and Kerry Morris, 56, both of Monkton, Ont., Frank Mather, 32, of Sutton-Dunwich Township, Ont., and Brett Gardner, 21, of no fixed address. Police identified the full-patch Bandidos who were among the dead as George Jesso, 52, of Etobicoke; George Kriarakis, 28, Luis Manny Raposo, 41, and Francesco Salerajno, 43, of Toronto; John Muscedere, 48, of Chatham, Ont.; and Paul Sinopoli, 30, of Sutton, Ont. Also killed were Jamie Flanz, 37, of Keswick, Ont., described as a "prospect" member of the gang, and Michael Trotta, 31, of Mississauga, Ont., an associate member. The details come the day after witnesses spotted police marching a group of people, their hands in the air, out of the home of Kellestine, a former leader of the now-defunct St. Thomas Loners biker gang. The eight bodies were all found Saturday stuffed in several abandoned vehicles, including a tow truck, on the outskirts of a farmer's field some 10 kilometres away from Kellestine's home. The tow truck driver is one of the dead. Elgin County, west of London, has a history of violent confrontation between rival motorcycle clubs. Several organizations, including the Loners, the Bandidos and the Hells Angels, have been known to populate the area. In separate incidents in 1994 and 1998, the bodies of a man and a woman were found dumped in county field. Both had been beaten to death, and neither of the murders were ever solved. In October 1999, Kellestine himself was wounded in a shootout near Highway 401, apparently the result of a rift inside one of the gangs. The bodies, still ensconced in the vehicles they were found in, were transported Saturday under cloak of darkness to the coroner's office in Toronto, where they were undergoing autopsies Monday. A neighbour said he commonly saw motorcycles driving up and down the street to Kellestine's home, although he experienced no problems as a result. The four men and one woman who were charged appeared in a court in St. Thomas on Monday, but officials would provide few details. Eight men found dead on a remote southwestern Ontario farm were either members of the Bandidos biker gang or linked to it. A look at the victims: - -George Jesso, 52, Toronto, full patch member - -George Kriarakis, 28, Toronto, full-patch member - -John Muscedere, 48, Chatham, Ont., full-patch member - -Luis Manny Raposo, 41, Toronto, full-patch member - -Francesco Salerajno, 43, Toronto, full-patch member - -Paul Sinopoli, 30, Sutton, Ont., full-patch member - -Jamie Flanz, 37, Keswick, Ont., prospect member - -Michael Trotta, 31, Milton, Ont., associate member ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #293 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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