From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #256 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, July 26 2005 Volume 08 : Number 256 In this issue: Re: Quebec Re: CFEI mission statement finally read the bylaws Re: God Re: God Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #255 SUGGESTION FW: Augusta Township passes property rights resolution Biker gets 18 months for trafficking in restricted firearms: Officers seized a loaded 9-mm handgun, BAIL BREACH SUSPECTS FREE AGAIN Charges laid after weapons cache seized Baby critically wounded, teen uncle facing five charges Baby not the intended target in shooting, RCMP says: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:02:36 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Quebec > > And most of the corruption uncovered by Gomery was in Quebec. > > I look forward to the level of graft uncovered in the firearms fiasco with > most of those contracts handed out in Ontario. Or maybe its Annie's fault. I had to log off and check my wallet and then my piggy bank and then my bank book. Nope, not one red cent of sponsorship money there. Asked all my neighbours, nope they are as out of the sponsorship trough as me. Paul C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:04:33 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: CFEI mission statement At 06:40 PM 2005.07.25, Ian Parkinson wrote: >The individuals of CFEI recognize the fundamental Right of Life, >Self-Determination, and Ownership of Personal Property. It is the >undeniable Right and Duty of each individual to defend their Life, >Freedom, and Property from those who would unethically or unlawfully >deprive them of these Rights. It is also each person's Right to employ >tools or techniques required effect this protection. I like this one the best so far. Concise, to the point and hits all the points required (except God, a plus for some, minus for others). For this is what we're talking about, fundamental human rights. >Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. And this is particularly good as well! Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com Our poison-tipped pens are greater than the mightiest of swords - diArmani.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:16:18 -0600 (CST) From: "george w. s. adair" Subject: finally read the bylaws Sent this to Ross but he said it is o.k. to also post on the digest. We need some input folks or are we just going to keep shooting blanks. I finally finished reading the bylaws. I found them very well done and covered many concerns as I read. I made a list of suggestions, removed alot as I found the concern was already covered. I know we need to get our act together and get started but why is it that some of us do not seem to realize that doing it right will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Here are my suggestions, you can post them if you want or email me directly. Is there anything I can do besides waiting. 1. Remuneration We should carefully consider rewording the first part to "board approved out of pocket expenses" there should also be a revision to indicate that in all but extraordinary cases most expenses should be pre-approved and all must be detailed. 2. AGM There should be some indication when an AGM is to be held, an example is "third week of June plus/minus two weeks. Expenditures: Paid employees concerns me. Not that we should not pay for services rendered but we should look at limits with regards to relationships to board members, "examples are family and close personal friends unless approved by a majority of the board and meeting all previously approved experience requirements" 3. Vacation of office: Perhaps a term of a maximum 4 years for sitting on the board of directors. It would give the board the time to get something done before being subject to election. 4. Meeting of the board should be increased to 72 hours. We are going to be a national organization and will need the time to get from various areas of the country. 5. Complaints: We should allow complaints to be brought to the attention of any board member. This way if the complaint is against the Secretary it can not be ignored or easily dismissed. 6. Voting at the AGM, I like the allowance for a member in good standing to vote by written and signed proxy. This might help in allowing far flung members to feel they have equal say in the AGM's. 7. Failure to attend minimum number of meetings. A board member should be removed unless a reasonable explanation to the board and a simplified explanation to members requesting it. Yours in the Firearms Community George W. S. Adair No one ever said our freedoms would come cheap. Some we must be prepared to fight for, some we must be prepared to die for. Take freedom for granted once and it could be gone forever. 1776 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:43:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Chris Gilmore" Subject: Re: God Point well taken Bruce, I read your letters all the time and it is well documented that you don't want anything to do with God. That is your right, but what about the rights of those who do believe in Him? We read your opinions all the time but you don't seem to have the time for ours. Well I don't want to be a hypocrite by pretending that your written opinions don't really mean anything. I think it is better if I remove myself from any future exposure to this list you have control of. Have a good life, Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: God > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Gilmore > > > Majority rules in democracy and God should be > > included in our constitution. > > So, tyranny of the majority is ok, as long as it's something *you* believe in? What hypocrisy! > > The "majority" of Canadians believe in "stricter gun control" - I guess that makes it alright in > your book, doesn't it? > > > Personally I have found that in 47 years of > > including God in my life have been the best. > > Chris > > I'm very happy for you, but please don't try to force your, or any other, god down my throat by > passing legislation in or with Her name in it. > > Yours in Liberty, > Bruce > Hamilton > Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:51:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: God - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Gilmore > Point well taken Bruce, I read your letters all the time and it is well > documented > that you don't want anything to do with God. No, I have lots of Gods to believe in - I just don't want anything to do with *your* God. > That is your right, but what about > the rights of those who do believe in Him? We read your opinions all the > time but you don't seem to have the time for ours. You are quite welcome to believe in Whoever or Whatever you want. I've got plenty of time for your *opinion*. What I *don't* have any time for are those who want to force *me* to have to deal with *your* version of God. And unfortunately, it is those who believe in *your* God who are usually the ones who want a monopoly on what people can or can't believe in. > Well I don't want to be a hypocrite by pretending that your written opinions > don't really mean anything. I think it is better if I remove myself from any > future exposure to this list you have control of. Sorry you feel that way. I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't have any time for the opinions of others... > Have a good life, You too. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: br8boss@xcelco.on.ca Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #255 > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:27:42 -0600 (CST) > From: Ian parkinson > Subject: CFEI mission statement > > Much too long. How about > > The individuals of CFEI recognize the > fundamental Right of Life, Self-Determination, and Ownership of Personal > Property. > It is the undeniable Right and Duty of each individual to defend their > Life, Freedom, and Property from those who would > unethically or unlawfully deprive them of these Rights. > It is also each person's Right to employ tools or techniques required effect > this protection. > > > - -- > Ian Parkinson > > Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Ian, The above is getting awful close to what I would like to see.. (not the stupid people part) Hugh Evers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:50:54 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: SUGGESTION BlankI would like to make a suggestion? I dont know if its possible or if it would even be viable.? I was thinking that perhaps when our new organization has become legal / factual?, we could interest all the other gun-owner oganizations into ours under an "umbrella " plan similar to what insurance companies use ? They would still have autonomy of their own organizations, but matters based on national interest they would all be allowed to vote on each proposal as one voice. This would unify the RFC into one cohesive organization for common goals rather than have each organization at odds with each other. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:05:48 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FW: Augusta Township passes property rights resolution - -----Original Message----- From: randy@ruralrevolution.com [mailto:randy@ruralrevolution.com] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: [Bulk] RURALREVOLUTION.com - Lanark Landowners Association / Rural Revolution - Newsletter, July 25, 2005 This is an email from 'RURALREVOLUTION.com - Lanark Landowners Association' Message: Following in the footseps of Augusta Township, the municipality of Lakeshore has passes a property rights resolution and will circulate to all Ontario municipalities. All Landowners should contact their respective municipalities and encourage their municipal councillors to support the ownership rights of all Canadians. And tell Government "THIS LAND IS OUR LAND -BACKOFF" Register for Landowner and rural revolution updates at http://www.ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_registration&tas k=register The Augusta township resolution can be found at http://www.ruralrevolution.com/leedsgrenville/index.php?option=com_content&t ask=section&id=25&Itemid=64 http://www.townoflakeshore.on.ca/Forms/Regular%20Council%20Agendas/2005/June %2014%202005%20-%20Regular%20Agenda.pdf Town of Lakeshore: 12. CORPORATE SERVICES Report from administration re: (a) Private Landowners – Property Rights It is recommended that: 1. Council adopt the following resolution: WHEREAS the Province of Ontario has imposed certain regulations that impose greater restrictions on the rights of some private property owners than on others; WHEREAS the regulations affect the net worth and market value of property, without compensation to the owner; WHEREAS there needs to be consistency in the regulation for both the Provincial Policy Statement and the Planning Act; WHEREAS municipalities and private property owners have had insufficient input into the planning process and regulations imposed; WHEREAS the newly imposed regulations will require increased consultation between the municipality and the Ministry of Municipal Affairs; WHEREAS the Ministry of Municipal Affairs has not committed additional resources for increased municipal consultation; AND WHEREAS the Provincial Policy Statement is in conflict with local Planning documents; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Town of Lakeshore objects to unilateral decisions being made by the Province of Ontario and the effects they have on private property owners and efficient local planning; AND FURTHER THAT the Province consult with local municipalities prior to implementing land use regulations; AND FURTHER BE IT RESOLVED THAT this resolution be circulated to the Minister of Municipal Affairs, Member of Provincial Parliament, Bruce Crozier, MPP and all municipalities in the Province of Ontario requesting their support Randy Hillier President, Lanark Landowners Association Tel 613-267-6661 Fax 613-259-2741 http://www.ruralrevolution.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:06:24 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Biker gets 18 months for trafficking in restricted firearms: PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A10 BYLINE: Andy Ivens SOURCE: The Province - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prince George biker jailed for trafficking in restricted firearms: AK-47 assault rifle bought in 2003 from undercover agent - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A former member of the Renegades motorcycle gang in Prince George was sentenced yesterday to 18 months in jail for trafficking in restricted firearms. Darrin Allan Massey, 34, was charged with five firearms-related offences in January -- in conjunction with charges laid against nine others with connections to the Renegades and the Hells Angels in Prince George and Vancouver. Massey pleaded guilty to one count of trafficking in firearms. He has been in custody since his arrest on Jan. 21 and was given credit for 12 months served, leaving six months on the sentence. Prosecutor Mark Levitz told B.C. Supreme Court that Massey asked an undercover agent in September 2003 to get him an AK-47 assault rifle. On Oct. 13, Massey and an associate paid the agent $3,700, said Levitz. The purchase also included four semi-automatic handguns, a sawed-off shotgun and some ammunition. Massey's lawyer, Simon Wagstaffe, said Massey knew only about the AK-47 and did not know other restricted weapons were in the bag with the assault rifle. B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Patrick Dohm also sentenced Massey to 20 months of probation, during which time he is barred from going to the Renegades clubhouse in the 1500-block Fir Street in Prince George. Nine other men with connections to the Renegades and the Hells Angels were arrested on the same day as Massey on drug and weapons charges. One of them -- Renegades president William John Moore, 35 -- was granted bail March 4, but didn't live to see his trial. He was shot to death in his vehicle, his hands tied to the steering wheel, on his property in Salmon Valley as his new house was burned down. aivens@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:06:52 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Officers seized a loaded 9-mm handgun, PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A5 COLUMN: Area Briefs SOURCE: Windsor Star DATELINE: WINDSOR - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suspicious activity leads to drug and weapon charges - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WINDSOR - A London man and a Windsor woman face charges of possession of narcotics for the purposes of trafficking as well as firearms offences after the stop and search of a vehicle early Sunday. Just after 2 a.m., Windsor police responded to a call of a suspicious vehicle in the area of Campbell and College Avenues. The vehicle was stopped at Campbell Ave. and Tecumseh Road West. After obtaining a warrant, officers searched the vehicle and seized a loaded 9-mm handgun, $1,700 in cash, and a quantity of crack cocaine with an estimated street value of $43,000. Staff Sgt. Bob Labute said uniformed police first asked the pair to step outside the vehicle after they noticed what appeared to be a weapon between the seats. It turned out to be a foot-long knife. "It was a very dangerous situation that the officers handled quite well," Labute said. "It was an excellent grab." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: BAIL BREACH SUSPECTS FREE AGAIN PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 10 BYLINE: DAVE BREAKENRIDGE, CALGARY SUN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAIL BREACH SUSPECTS FREE AGAIN TRIO ON THE STREETS FOLLOWING HEARING - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Three men accused of breaching bail conditions on recent weapons-related charges have once again been set free. The trio -- Vinh Le, 21, Henry Nguyen, 18 and Hieu Nguyen, 21 peared in provincial court yesterday, applying for bail on charges they breached conditions of a previous release. They were re-arrested July 14 after receiving bail and released from the Calgary Remand Centre, following their arrest on July 12 for alleged firearms violations. The second arrest came after police said the three allegedly violated non-association orders. Nguyen and Nguyen were released on $300 cash bail, while Le was given $500 bail. As part of their release, all previous bail conditions remain in place and the three agreed to consent to periodic random searches of their person, any unshared residence of which they are in control or part or all of any vehicle they may be traveling in. "We'll continue to monitor and enforce any conditions placed on accused individuals," said Staff Sgt. Terry Larson of the police community response team. The three will appear in court on all of their charges on July 28. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:07:18 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Charges laid after weapons cache seized PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: Final SECTION: Capital & Van. Isl. PAGE: B2 SOURCE: Times Colonist - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charges laid after weapons cache seized - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saanich police seized 39 firearms, 20,000 rounds of ammunition and a pair of crossbows over the weekend after responding to a report of shots being fired at a Walton Place home, near Elk Lake. Police sealed off the area and contacted a man inside the home by phone. He agreed to come out and surrendered without incident. People nearby reported hearing what seemed to be gunshots off and on for a few days. Police were called when more perceived shots were heard for a third day. A 38-year-old Saanich man has now been charged with several weapons offences, including unsafe storage of seven of the firearms. He has been released from custody on a promise to appear in court at a later date. Saanich police Const. Brad Brajcich said the number of firearms found at the home was more than a typical firearms licence holder would have. "It's a high amount," he said. "The majority were rifles and there were a couple of shotguns. Two compound crossbows and one quiver with arrows were also taken." The investigation is continuing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:07:30 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Baby critically wounded, teen uncle facing five charges PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2005.07.26 PAGE: A7 BYLINE: DAWN WALTON SECTION: National News EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Calgary AB WORDS: 331 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baby critically wounded, teen uncle facing five charges - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An argument that erupted into a multiple shooting on an Alberta native reserve on Sunday has left a baby clinging to life, his teenaged father recovering from surgery and a 16-year-old relative facing five charges, police said yesterday. "The community is pretty saddened right now because the baby was an innocent bystander," Gleichen RCMP Corporal Jim Wong said. The accused, who is the baby's uncle and cannot be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, will remain in custody at least until his first court appearance on Thursday, Cpl. Wong said. The teen is charged with attempted murder, criminal negligence causing bodily harm, aggravated assault and a pair of weapons offences. An argument between two men turned physical around 6 a.m. on Sunday outside a residence on the Siksika First Nation, about 90 kilometres east of Calgary. Police said one man entered a home, emerged with a rifle and started shooting. The 14-month old boy was seated in his stroller, his mother nearby, when he was struck with a bullet. Witnesses told local newspapers that the child was hit in the head, but police would confirm only that he is in critical condition. "We were told the bullet went in one side of his head and out the other," one unidentified relative told the Calgary Sun. The child's 18-year-old father was shot in the forearm, according to witness reports, but police would confirm only that he is in stable condition recovering from surgery. The child's mother, who is the sister of the accused, was not hurt. A suspect was tracked by a Calgary Police Service dog and was arrested around 8:45 a.m. Sunday. Police said they haven't determined who the firearm belongs to or whether it is registered. They are also piecing together what caused the confrontation, but have suggested alcohol may have been a factor. "We don't have a real grip on what happened," Cpl. Wong said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:07:40 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Baby not the intended target in shooting, RCMP says: PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2005.07.26 EDITION: All but Toronto SECTION: Canada PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Jason van Rassel SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: CALGARY - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baby not the intended target in shooting, RCMP says: Teen faces charges of negligence, attempted murder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALGARY - A teenager has been charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm in a shooting that left his 14-month-old nephew critically injured from a head wound. The 16-year-old is also facing an attempted murder charge arising from the Sunday morning confrontation, which left the child's 18-year-old father recovering from a gunshot wound to his arm. The shooting came during an argument between the accused and his brother-in-law -- the child's father -- outside a relative's home on the Siksika Reserve at about 6 a.m. Sunday. "We're still investigating what brought on this confrontation," said Corporal Jim Wong of the RCMP detachment in Gleichen, 90 kilometres east of Calgary. The toddler was in a stroller nearby when the gunfire erupted. There's no evidence so far to suggest the child was intentionally targeted, Cpl. Wong said. "At this time, we're looking at criminal negligence causing bodily harm," Cpl. Wong said, adding investigators have only been able to briefly interview the baby's father while he recovers from surgery. Calgary Police Service canine officers assisting the RCMP tracked the suspect and arrested him a short time after the shooting. Investigators also recovered a rifle from the scene. Family members maintained a vigil by the wounded child's bedside at Alberta Children's Hospital yesterday, though one relative said the tot's mother left briefly to visit her husband at Foothills hospital. The accused and family members can't be identified under provisions of the Youth Criminal Justice Act designed to protect the anonymity of youths charged with criminal offences. Under the legislation, attempted murder is considered a presumptive offence -- meaning a conviction carries an adult sentence unless the defence can successfully argue against it. The youth is also charged with aggravated assault, possession of a dangerous weapon and careless use of a firearm. He is scheduled to appear in court on the Siksika Reserve on Thursday. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #256 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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