From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #802 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, February 21 2003 Volume 05 : Number 802 In this issue: Letter: Animals hurt as government waffles on cruelty bill Man found guilty of murdering teen in 14-year-old 100 Mile House case Sask: Feds take over gun safety courses Poor planning led to firearms fiasco Alliance Pressure Pays Off - All Private Members' Business Will Go To A Vote Town Hall Meeting - Truro, NS - Sunday, March 30, 2003 Firearms Act Protest Rally - Prince George, BC - Saturday, March 1st, 2 pm CFC - Current U.S. Firearms Importation and Purchasing Information for Canadians 6,084,997 guns registered - NONE WITH THE OWNERS NAME & ADDRESS ON THEM! Elections Three men charged in border gun seizure JUSTICE MINISTER HAS KEPT PARLIAMENT IN THE DARK FOR THE LAST 11 WEEKS Re:How to manufacture a pseudo criminal; Bill C-68, re: powder storage Re: Firearms Act Protest Rally - Prince George, BC - Saturday, March 1st, 2 pm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:38:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Animals hurt as government waffles on cruelty bill PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.02.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A15 BYLINE: David Loan SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Ron Pozzer, The Canadian Press / David Loan sayspuppies such as these, found at a suspected puppy mill last week, will be at risk until an animal-cruelty bill becomes law. !@IMAGES=Photo: Ron Pozzer, The Canadian Press / David Loan says puppies such as these, found at a suspected puppy mill last week, will be at risk until an animal-cruelty bill becomes law. [79855-20088.jpg]; - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Animals hurt as government waffles on cruelty bill - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The federal government's internal confusion over gun control has an innocent victim: proposed legislation to deal harsher penalties to those convicted of animal abuse. Bill C10(b) is the first major amendment to the Criminal Code with respect to acts of animal cruelty since 1892. Our affinity to animals has increased immensely since then. Just this past weekend, a suspected puppy mill near Waterford, Ont., was shut down. More than 125 dogs were found living in their own feces, with their water bowls frozen. Several dogs had to be put down. Should the perpetrators be found guilty, under the current law they cannot even be prevented from owning animals in the future. We need this new law to punish properly the owners of puppy mills, the kitten killers and the dog-bludgeoners. But the government won't move ahead with it until Bill C10(a) -- updates to the gun registry -- has cleared the Senate. It is waffling on the gun-registry bill, which in turn stalls the animal-cruelty bill. Under the new bill, law enforcement officials will have the tools they need to catch animal abusers while reasonable protection will be offered to legitimate and law-abiding animal industries. Until the passage of Bill C10(b), those who deliberately inflict horrendous suffering on animals will continue to act with impunity. David Loan, Ottawa, Campaigns manager, International Fund for Animal Welfare ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:39:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Man found guilty of murdering teen in 14-year-old 100 Mile House case PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2003.02.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A18 BYLINE: Jason Proctor SOURCE: The Province - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Man found guilty of murdering teen in 14-year-old 100 Mile House case - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norma Tashoots' family has waited a long time for justice. Almost 14 years has passed since the 17-year-old's body was found in the woods near 100 Mile House, the victim of a murder that shocked the community. But the years of questions were answered this week when the Williams Lake jury at the trial of Jerry Joseph Baker spoke the one word the Tashoots family has been waiting to hear: Guilty. "That's good to hear. She was a great person," said Garrett Tashoots, Norma's cousin. "The mystery of who could have done it has really put a lot of stress on everyone. There was no closure." Baker, 60, was sentenced on Tuesday to life without chance of parole for 25 years. The conviction followed hundreds of hours of work by RCMP officers, who refused to give up on the homicide. The killer reported his Ruger handgun stolen the day after Norma was last seen. And in the months after her death, residents of 100 Mile House suggested that the loner might be a person of interest. Soon after the murder, Baker, who had been convicted of rape in 1970, was charged with sexual assault with a weapon and forcible confinement. The assault had occurred just before the Tashoots murder. Baker served his full seven-year sentence on those charges -- about which the jury in the Tashoots case was not told. The murder file was reopened in early 2001 and Baker eventually confessed -- pointing police to the very spot where he threw the weapon after the murder on June 6, 1989 -- a sewage lagoon near Forest Grove. RCMP Const. Stephen Cox said investigators found the weapon by dragging a huge magnet through the lagoon with a rope. "The handgun was in perfect condition," said Cox. "The serial number came back to the one that Jerry Baker reported missing the day after the murder. That sealed it for us." The stainless-steel wea-pon still contained the two spent rounds and two live rounds of ammunition. "It's been so many years that it happened," said Dora Tashoots, Norma's aunt. "She was really a kind person." jproctor@png.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:39:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Sask: Feds take over gun safety courses The Western Producer Feds take over gun safety courses this document web posted: Thursday February 20, 2003 20030220p81 By Karen Morrison Saskatoon newsroom http://www.producer.com/articles/20030220/news/20030220news32.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:40:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Poor planning led to firearms fiasco The Western Producer Poor planning led to fiasco this document web posted: Thursday February 20, 2003 20030220p81 By Barry Wilson Ottawa bureau http://www.producer.com/articles/20030220/news/20030220news32a.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:41:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Alliance Pressure Pays Off - All Private Members' Business Will Go To A Vote NEWS RELEASE Alliance Pressure Pays Off - All Private Members' Business Will Go To A Vote MPs Reynolds and Breitkreuz salute step to modernize Parliament FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FEBRUARY 20, 2003 OTTAWA - The Canadian Alliance scored an important victory today in making sure that the voices of individual Parliamentarians are heard and respected, according to Alliance House Leader John Reynolds. All political parties in the House of Commons agreed today to make all Private Members' Business subject to a vote, on a trial basis. "Today represents a big step forward for democracy and for Parliament," said Reynolds. "It took a lot of pressure from the Alliance, but the government has finally agreed that the opinions of all MPs, and their constituents, must have more importance in Ottawa." Reynolds thanked Garry Breitkreuz, Alliance MP for Yorkton-Melville, Saskatchewan, for his steadfast work in modernizing the Private Members' Business process. "Without Garry, this initiative likely would have never seen the light of day, let alone been adopted unanimously by all parties." Breitkreuz added, "For far too long, we as politicians, and Canadians generally, have not done much more than scratch below the surface on key issues. Today's agreement sends a serious signal to the citizens of Canada that they sent us here to do a job on many important issues - not just the ones the Liberals decide are important." The all-party agreement is based in principle on a proposal from Building Trust II, the Canadian Alliance policy document dealing with modernization of Parliament. On a trial basis, all Private Members' Business (bills or motions) will begin the process as votable items, and only in certain circumstances will some items be deemed non-votable by a sub-committee on Private Members' Business. Any Member who has an item deemed non-votable by the sub-committee can appeal to the main committee, Procedure and House Affairs. Failing that, the member can appeal to the House of Commons provided the member could garner support from at least one member from the four out of the five parties. This is a significant gain from the old practice where a Private Member's Item began as non-votable, relying on the sub-committee to unanimously agree to make it votable. There was no appeal mechanism. - -30- For more information, please contact: Ron Wood - (613) 791-2697 or Garry Breitkreuz, MP - (613) 992-4394 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:41:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Town Hall Meeting - Truro, NS - Sunday, March 30, 2003 Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers and Hunters Town Hall Meeting On the state of the Canadian Firearms Registration System Special Guest Speaker Mr. Gary Breitkreuz, MP Where: Royal Canadian Legion Branch #26 - 349 Onslow Road, Truro, NS When: Sunday, March 30, 2003 Time: Doors open at 12 noon for a 1 PM start Gary Breitkreuz is a Canadian Alliance Member of Parliament from Saskatchewan. He is the official oppositions voice on the issue of Firearms legislation. Through the freedom of information requests Gary has discovered many flaws in this Billion Boondoggle and like others predicted the gun mess the government is now in. A charge of $2.00 at the door to cover costs Larger donations excepted. Sponsored by the Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers and Hunters for additional information reach Tony Rodgers Phone /fax 902-477-8898 or e-mail < tony.rodgers@3web.net > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:44:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Firearms Act Protest Rally - Prince George, BC - Saturday, March 1st, 2 pm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheldon Clare" To: "Phil Hewkin" Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Revised Press Release (draft) Press Release 20 March 2003 Firearms Act Protest Rally Prince George, BC On Saturday, March 1st, 2 pm. there will be a public protest of the current firearms act. Concerns include privacy and property rights violations as well as extreme cost over runs at the Canadian Firearms Centre (gun registry). The protest will be held at 250 George St, the Courthouse in Prince George, B.C. Speakers featured include: Rolf Pfeiffer of 100 mile house,B.C.,Rolf is an independent outspoken informed individual, he has spoken at 3 protests now that he and his wife,Gina have facilitated. Also invited to speak: Local sportsman,George Hunter - very knowledgeable about firearm sports and the gun control issue. Informed local sportsman Jim Hobart who always has his "ear to the ground"and has written letters to the editor...always a pleasure to hear what Jim has to say. BC Branch President of the National Firearms Association, Sheldon Clare. Sheldon has been an activist on this issue for several years. Law-abiding Unregistered Firearm Owners Director Phil Hewkin. Phil is well-known for his clear stand in opposition to registration and licensing. Organizer Phil Hewkin emphasized the importance of resisting this foolish law: "Ordinary people across Canada are incensed with the high costs of the firearms registry. Many people feel that this money could be used to make a difference in people's lives by investing it in health care, education, or even national defence instead of using it to line the pockets of bureaucrats." Organizer Phil Hewkin made it clear that resistance is still strong to the firearms act and that the waste of money has stiffened the resolve of protesters, " I believe that civil disobedience is the key to deterioration of the gun control agenda!" He further stated, "There will be a ceremonial burning of a copy of the Firearms Act. People are invited to burn firearms licences, pols, pals, and reg.certificates." Informational handouts and limited numbers of copies of Sheila Fraser`s report on the cfc/gun registry/federal boondoggle will be available. Members of the public are invited to express their concerns and Members of Parliament and MLA's are invited to make their positions known. For more information please contact: Phil Hewkin 250-562-2931 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:44:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - Current U.S. Firearms Importation and Purchasing Information for Canadians Current U.S. Firearms Importation and Purchasing Information for Canadians and Other Non-Residents http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/bordercrossing/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:45:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: 6,084,997 guns registered - NONE WITH THE OWNERS NAME & ADDRESS ON THEM! STATISTICS CANADA Friday, February 21, 2003 Road motor vehicle registrations - 2002 (preliminary) http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/030221/d030221e.htm A total of 18.6 million road motor vehicles were registered in Canada in 2002. NOTE: ALL WITH THE OWNERS NAME & ADDRESS ON THEM. - -------- Canadian Firearms Program Statistics http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/general_public/program_statistics/default.asp CFC - 6,084,997 guns registered as of Feb 15, 2003 NOTE: NONE WITH THE OWNERS NAME & ADDRESS ON THEM! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:46:26 -0600 (CST) From: Rae Baker Subject: Elections The politicians are preparing themselves for the coming elections. Would it not be a good Idea to mail them (the liberal ones in your area) and call them and tell they that if they vote PRO GUN REGISTRATION we will activley campaign against them. They must declare themselves and write a declaration Pro gun owners and con registration. That should get to the liberals. If enough of them do not get elected they are out, and hopefully the ones we elect will remove this nasty thing that those people are putting upon us. Rae Burlington,Ont. Key West Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Three men charged in border gun seizure PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2003.02.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A5 SOURCE: Canadian Press DATELINE: SURREY - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Three men charged in border gun seizure - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SURREY (CP) -- Charges have now been laid against three men caught allegedly sneaking across the border from the United States with guns, cash and diamonds. More than 30 charges have been filed so far, most of them involving the possession of illegal firearms. Working on a tip from the U.S. Border Patrol, RCMP tracked down three men dressed in full camouflage gear hiding on a golf course Wednesday in Surrey. Police found three large backpacks containing 41 handguns, between $50,000 and $100,000 US in cash and diamonds carried by one of the men. Two Tek-9 machine pistols, versions of which can fire like a submachine-gun, were among the seized weapons. Officials said Wednesday it appeared the alleged smuggling attempt was linked to the drug trade, calling it a "guns for drugs" deal. RCMP in Surrey were alerted early Wednesday by the U.S. Border Patrol, which had spotted three men running into Canada from a truck parked on the American side of the border. Mounties immediately set up perimeter points and the men were found hiding about an hour later. Police earlier described the men as around 30 years old, with no identification. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:50:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: JUSTICE MINISTER HAS KEPT PARLIAMENT IN THE DARK FOR THE LAST 11 WEEKS HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES 37th Parliament, 2nd Session (September 30, 2002 - ) Edited Hansard * Number 064 Thursday, February 20, 2003 ADJOURNMENT PROCEEDINGS [Hansard - Pages 3847-49] Firearms Registry Mr. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, on December 12, 2002, I asked the justice minister a question, which I would like to quote: "Parliament demonstrated its lack of confidence in the registry by removing $72 million from the scheme last week. Now the minister will be using sleight of hand to keep it on life support. "What programs will he take the money from to fund the registry?" The justice minister answered: "...I respect this parliament and as well, the notion of transparency." Then he went on to talk about using "cash management", but he never answered my question. On February 18 of this year the justice minister was a little more transparent with the National Post than he has been with Parliament on how his cash management system-scheme really works. Here is how the minister explained cash management to the reporter: "[If there's] some project at the present time, [it doesn't mean] that you have to pay for your project right away. You may have to pay in just 30, 60, 90 days or sometimes more. It's not called a debt, it's cash management actually." If the rest of us do not pay our bills, it is called debt. Only the Liberal government would try to convince Canadian taxpayers that not paying its bills was actually something called cash management. While the minister is racking up millions of dollars of debt, has he ever thought what would happen if Parliament does not approve the spending necessary to pay those bills? It has happened before: on December 5. It has been 11 weeks now and the minister still has not given us a straight answer. Where is he getting the money to run the program? How many millions has he spent since Parliament cut off the funding for the program on December 5? How many millions in bills has he not paid in the last 11 weeks? Now we have the little $77 million discrepancy for the minister to explain. This is the difference between what the Speaker says was actually approved by Parliament in the main estimates and what the justice department and Treasury Board officials are telling the media. On Monday, February 17, the Speaker ruled on a question of privilege by the member for Sarnia-Lambton. The Speaker said that Parliament approved $113.5 million for the gun registry in the main estimates and that the $72 million pulled from the supplementary estimates was "additional" money. Then on Wednesday, February 19, the Ottawa Citizen quoted a justice department official who said the $72 million was part of the $113.5 million budgeted for that year. Today, the Saskatoon StarPhoenix quoted a Treasury Board official who agreed with the justice department's version of the events and claimed that Parliament had only approved $35.8 million in the main estimates. We understand the Treasury Board official sided with the justice department's version of events, but he had to get the $35.8 million number from the justice department and everyone knows how good the justice department is with numbers. Even the $35.8 million and the $72 million do not add up to $113.5 million. When asked for a clarification today in the House, the Speaker said that committees of the House have the power to get to the bottom of the main estimates question. (1805) Maybe the parliamentary secretary can clarify the justice minister's position for the record. His officials seem to have taken a public stand that is at variance with that of the Speaker of the House and the justice minister has kept Parliament in the dark for the last 11 weeks. We can only hope that the parliamentary secretary will be a little more transparent than his boss. So I ask him, how much money has been spent for the last 11 weeks? Where is the money coming from? How much will it cost to complete the registry? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:54:20 -0600 (CST) From: Michel Hebert Subject: Re:How to manufacture a pseudo criminal; Bill C-68, At 08:22 2/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:44:52 -0600 (CST) >From: Randy >Subject: How to manufacture a pseudo criminal; Bill C-68, > > > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:43:45 -0600 (CST) > > >From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" > > >Subject: How to manufacture a pseudo criminal; Bill C-68, > > > > > >He is 24 years old and he has always hunted. He loves the woods and > nature. > > > But Bill C-68 (firearms legislation), which was passed by the federal > > > government in 1995 after the massacre at the Polytechnique, may well > turn > > >him into a criminal. Not a real criminal, of course, because there is > > > nothing of the criminal about him. ............ > >I am surprised with members of the firearms community trying fairly hard over >the last weeks to get charged under C-68 that we are not >hearing more about this case both in the media and on the Digest. I would >think >with the nature and circumstances of the charges that >this would be an extremely important case. Does anyone know what the various >associations are doing about using this case to test the >firearms act? Is there a legal fund set up? Not hearing about this case is par for the course since it is happening in Quebec. It is very hard to get the newspapers to mention this case since most of them are pro C-68. Firearm owners here in Quebec are literally sleeping by not wanting to get involved. They all seem to be afraid of the SQ which is the local CPFO. It is also the attitude that it won't happen to me syndrome. It is extremely difficult to make people move in this province. Yes, it is an important case. He has a lawyer which seems to be competent and was put in touch with DAT for the possible defense options. He is also meeting Jean-Francois today to discuss on strategy for the case. All interviews with the media have been put on hold so as not to possibly do harm to the case. I have written letters to the editor to various papers in Montreal but none have been published yet. Some of the tactics used in this case I do not personally agree with but it is not my case. No legal fund has been set up yet. I am looking into it at the moment. Right now, it is not needed. That may (read will) change in the future. That is all I can say for now. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:55:03 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Snow Subject: re: powder storage > From: GunChecker@aol.com > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #799 > > Gordon ( non-metal container for POWDERS ) Wood preferably . > ASSEMBLED ammunition may be store in locked metal containers . > Interesting. Most of the powder that I have ever seen or bought is sold, shipped and stored in the metal containers that it was put into at the factories. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:57:50 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Firearms Act Protest Rally - Prince George, BC - Saturday, March 1st, 2 pm "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheldon Clare" > BC Branch President of the National Firearms Association, Sheldon > Clare. Sheldon has been an activist on this issue for several years. > Organizer Phil Hewkin made it clear that resistance is still strong to the > firearms act and that the waste of money has stiffened the resolve of > protesters, "I believe that civil disobedience is the key to deterioration of > the gun control agenda!" He further stated, "There will be a ceremonial > burning of a copy of the Firearms Act. People are invited to burn firearms > licences, pols, pals, and reg.certificates." I thought that the Big Giant Head (aka Jimminy Hinter) had decreed that the NFA would not involve itself in such vulgar displays of intestinal fortitude... 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