From tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!hookup!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!NewsWatcher!user Thu Nov 10 10:33:11 1994 Path: tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!hookup!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!NewsWatcher!user From: fmdavis@bnr.ca (Fred Davis VA3FD) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: Guns Used For Self-Defense Date: 3 Nov 1994 14:47:51 GMT Organization: Northern Telecom Ltd. Lines: 117 Distribution: can Message-ID: References: <6708@map.mdavcr.mda.ca> <39603p$hp6@tribune.usask.ca> <1994Nov1.203818.254@orca.wimsey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncrkm1d7.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b16.0+ In article <1994Nov1.203818.254@orca.wimsey.com>, ed@orca.wimsey.com (Ed Rodda) wrote: > Skeeter Abell-Smith (skeeter@skatter.usask.ca) wrote: > > : Why? Where trained citizenry are allowed to carry (concealed or open) > : the crime rates have dropped or remain steady at or near Canada's > : levels. There is no evidence that allowing trained persons to carry > : guns results in citizens shooting each other. (i.e. the shooting rate > : may temporarily go up (while bad guys 'get the message', but the murder > : rate decreases or remains steady.) > > Where are these places? See below. > I was in a Dallas Texas bar last year, there was a sign on the wall, > it said, "It is a felony to carry a firearm within 100 yards of a > establishment that serves alcohol." I guess there were too many > barroom shootouts, is this one of those places? You "guess"?? Now that's a qualified statement. FYI, Texas does _not_ allow concealed carry. > : Why should it be different from allowing police to carry guns? The > : same training and rules should apply to both. "But cops have a job to > : worry about!" Sure, but everyone, especially civilians, must > : consider criminal charges and jail time... > > If you don't see the difference between the police carrying guns and > you carrying guns, then there is no hope for you. Move to Oklahoma, > then you can strap on your six-gun and pretend your a cowboy. Well I don't see the difference either, Ed. Explain it to us. > Any place in the US that allows people to carry weapons, concealed or > openly, has a firearm homicide rate several times higher than > Canada's. You are wrong (but that's nothing new). ;-) Sources: _USA_TODAY_, TUESDAY, JANUARY 7, 1992, PAGE 5A ============================================================ Open Carry 1990 1991 Status* murders murders AL Alabama R 467 410 AR Arkansas R 241 240 CA California R 3553 3710 CT Connecticut R 166 170 DC D. C. R 483 489 FL Florida R 1379 1300 HI Hawaii R 44 44 IA Iowa R 54 62 IL Illinois R 1182 1270 MA Massachusetts R 243 200 MD Maryland R 552 540 MI Michigan R 971 1020 MN Minnesota R 117 100 MO Missouri R 449 550 NC N. Carolina R 711 730 ND N. Dakota R 5 11 NJ New Jersey R 432 350 NY New York R 2605 2550 OH Ohio R 663 760 PA Pennsylvania R 801 740 RI Rhode Island R 48 38 SC S. Carolina R 390 350 TN Tennessee R 511 470 TX Texas R 2389 2660 UT Utah R 52 43 WA Washington R 238 220 AK Alaska O 41 56 AZ Arizona O 284 290 CO Colorado O 138 155 DE Delaware O 33 32 GA Georgia O 767 720 ID Idaho O 27 21 IN Indiana O 344 380 KS Kansas O 98 150 KY Kentucky O 264 260 LA Louisiana O 724 760 ME Maine O 30 23 MS Mississippi O 313 370 MT Montana O 39 29 NE Nebraska O 43 43 NH New Hampshire O 21 32 NM New Mexico O 139 160 NV Nevada O 116 135 OK Oklahoma O 253 220 OR Oregon O 108 120 SD S. Dakota O 14 9 VA Virginia O 545 550 VT Vermont O 14 24 WI Wisconsin O 225 240 WV W. Virginia O 102 135 WY Wyoming O 22 20 Total number of Murders in: 25 Restrictive States + DC 18746 19027 25 Open Carry States 4704 4934 50 States & DC 23450 23961 "Open Carry States" are those States which permit all citizens to both purchase a gun and carry it unconcealed and loaded without a license. "Restricted Carry States" are those states which restrict or prohibit either the purchase or unconcealed carry of guns. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fred M. Davis VA3FD | These opinions not necessarily Nepean, ON. | those of the company ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~