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From: booth@mdd.comm.mot.com (Greg Booth)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Canadian info request
Date: 29 Nov 1993 17:07:30 -0800
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>
>He also states that gun control in the UK (you know, that island where
>our old friend Wood lives) has been just as "effective" in lowering
>homicide rates.  I believe that this is probably false as well.
>

From J. Spencer (in the UK)

It isn't - both are equally ineffective.  Some facts concerning the
"effectiveness" of Britain's laws:

1)   Less than 0.1% of arms used in violent crime (ie bank robberies)
     originate (are stolen from) from licence holders [Home Office
     figures].

2)   There are _seven_ armed robberies on bank and building societies
     _every_ working day in England & Wales [Home Office figures]

3)   According to _The Independent_ newspaper recently , there are no
     fewer than 20 black market arms dealers in East London, alone.

4)   According to Andrew Neil (Editor of the_Daily Telegraph_) and
     speaking on BBC Radio 2 Jimmy Young's program, it takes
     demonstrably less than 24hrs to obtain an illegal arm

5)   It was demonstrated by an ITV journalist (May 1992) that it takes
     just two phone calls to obtain an illegal arm.

6)   Drugs gangs are now killing each other with illegal arms

7)   A 15 year old girl was shot through the upper arm when she was
     caught in crossfire between two drugs gangs last week (Mid August 93)

8)   The Association Of Chief Police Officers held a conference in
     recent weeks to address the problems caused by the _flood_ of
     smallarms formerly used by the Wasaw Pact armies


>Normally, I do not pay any attention to foreign legislation, American
>lawmaking making me quite sick enough, but I should be very grateful if
>someone here could post the relevant statistical information with as
>good a selection of cites as possible.
>

The "cites" I use are official government statistics.

Check your library under Stats Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics.





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